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General Category => PC Problems => Topic started by: iWasAdam on March 14, 2018, 14:27:21

Title: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: iWasAdam on March 14, 2018, 14:27:21
Can I just moan on about bloody windows here?

Thanks....

Compiling nice and straight, then up pops 'windows must restart'. NO I DONT WANT TO RESTART.

So windows get narky and blacks the entire screen and suspends compiling. Need to shut down the app and restart.

Way to go MS....!!!!!
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Naughty Alien on March 14, 2018, 14:35:09
 ;D
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: cpsmith0191 on March 14, 2018, 20:15:13
Go Macs... (Snow leopard) boots up in a flash, it's as quiet as the proverbial mouse and has never kept me waiting while it updates. The perfect programming platform or what, have fun cps.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on March 14, 2018, 20:26:08
Hmm, this just seems like fake news in my eyes.  I've never had this problem.

Windows says I need to update, I say not yet and that is the end of the matter.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: plenatus on March 14, 2018, 20:45:25
My windows restart depend on an update without to ask me.
I never had this before but....okay it was in energy-safe mode.
But I am surprised by this behavior.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: IanMartin on March 14, 2018, 22:30:31
You're probably set up to do auto updates...I've never had Win 10 reboot me in the middle of something without a prompt.

Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Goodlookinguy on March 15, 2018, 05:50:25
I recommend setting your network connection for "metered" connection. That will stop that auto-updating crap.

I've had the computer reset on me while sleeping (I have processes running while I sleep) and I've had it bother me every 10 minutes to reset when I wasn't interested. So I understand the frustrations of dealing with this OS.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: iWasAdam on March 15, 2018, 06:20:27
just to assure everyone - the windows 10 is running in VMWare, so it might have something to do with that. I'm strictly a Mac guy from now on.

Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rick Nasher on March 15, 2018, 15:52:56
Also helps to set Quiet Hours,  but then again if you're a coder you might be on at odd hours. lol
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: ThickO on March 15, 2018, 16:25:34
Maybe it really needed to go !! :o
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on March 15, 2018, 18:24:35
So basically man buys a mac.

He also requires Windows but doesn't bother to buy a pc.

Instead he installs some mac software to allow Windows to run on his machine.

So when typing on his over priced computer he can blame Windows.  And does so as loud as possible!

Everybody on a real PC shouts I've never had that problem!

Mac user quietly admits the fact it might have been dodgy mac software.

People not reading what he has said continue to think it's Microsoft's problem.

Typical Apple fanboy bullshit lol  :P




Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Goodlookinguy on March 16, 2018, 05:16:31
Steve, I repair computers for a living. I've seen issues like the described above and I'm very fluent with Windows. A black screen occurring as described is usually caused by the power issues or overheating. However, this sounds like the program went black, which would indicate a GDI memory leak. Windows Explorer in several Windows 10 builds has a GDI leak, which could also have been the cause. Either way, there's nothing you can do directly to fix latter issues.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: iWasAdam on March 16, 2018, 06:04:37
Steve, This isn't a personal attack on anyone using windows. And for your information I do have a proper pc as well!!!!!!
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on March 16, 2018, 09:51:10
I didn't say is was a personal attack on users Adam, it's just Apple peeps seem to love Windows bashing.

But guys, you really have to appreciate Windows is extremely popular compared to mac os, and so has to run on many many configurations (old and new).  Where as Apple 'cheat' and take the easy route by only supporting a few hardware configurations.  It's easy to mock when you're only doing part of the job yourself - ie only supporting the newest systems in your latest os.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rooster on March 16, 2018, 15:26:14
Quote from: Steve Elliott on March 16, 2018, 09:51:10
I didn't say is was a personal attack on users Adam, it's just Apple peeps seem to love Windows bashing.
Except Windows does a lot of things that are easy to bash on.

For example:
My Windows laptop does updates when shutting down or restarting, which is normally not a problem.
Until it updated while I was in the airport packing it up to board a flight. It was ether let it update, or force the power off (which you aren't supposed to do).

I prefer how Linux handles updates, letting me start it when I want it.

Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: TomToad on March 16, 2018, 17:17:01
If my computer wants to do an update at shutdown,I opt to hibernate instead. Then I can update when I want.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: IanMartin on March 16, 2018, 23:04:14
Seems like there are tools to decide when you want it to update.

If you have a laptop and never reboot it, it's probably going to update when you do.  Keeping your stuff updated is a good idea, as you catch zero day exploits ASAP.  And rebooting is a good idea too, since I can't tell you how many problems people have with their computer that magically go away when they turn it off and back on again.

Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rick Nasher on March 23, 2019, 08:44:16
Just had my golden oldie updated to Win10 V1809 and it BS Of Death on me 2x already while just typing text on AGK forum!
Seems ok now, perhaps was still doing some finishing up in the back , but boy that shouldn't happen.

What was great though(or *not* depends how you look at it) that it preserved the text I was typing and I could just continue.


Also, I never understood why-oh-why an only 4 character pin is 'more safe' then a lengthy complex password.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rick Nasher on April 14, 2019, 11:18:05
Ok, took some win updates, closing open tabs in browsers, but now appears to be somewhat 'workable' (until the next BSOD, had one again yesterday).

Fortunately, was able to get another machine (with more muscle power also) where this is not happing on. However this also didn't update itself to the latest and greatest 1809, so decided to leave that as is for now, before things go haywire there too.

Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: plenatus on April 14, 2019, 18:26:45
What are the specs of your museum hardware? ;)
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on April 14, 2019, 19:03:07
Windows 10 is not going to run well on museum hardware.  Linux would run smoother though.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rick Nasher on April 20, 2019, 02:10:49
My by now archeological relic  ;D  is an HP Pavilion Core 2 GeForce 8400M GS with 4GB RAM, 256GB SSD(primary) and 256GB HDD(original, which I put into a caddy and in place of the, since Win7, obsolete ODD).

But after some more updating and closing things in the browser(s) it now appears to be more stable. Yay!




BTW: on my new Asus i7 7700HQ @ 2.80GHz, 8GB, intel HD630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050, 512GB SSD(yes, a little beasty 8) ) the hibernation option was disabled by default.

I've enabled this, but I read somewhere on the net that hibernate may interfere with FastStartup/Hibrid Shutdown.
Anybody has experiences with that?



Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Yellownakji on April 20, 2019, 06:14:13
Quote from: iWasAdam on March 14, 2018, 14:27:21
Can I just moan on about bloody windows here?

Thanks....

Compiling nice and straight, then up pops 'windows must restart'. NO I DONT WANT TO RESTART.

So windows get narky and blacks the entire screen and suspends compiling. Need to shut down the app and restart.

Way to go MS....!!!!!


I use Windows 10 LTSC 2019 :)  Thank me later.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: plenatus on April 20, 2019, 20:21:02
On my rig hibernation was always off.
The old rig from my son have it activated after a fresh install.But i deactivate it.
I donĀ“t know for what it should useful.
Rick, Congratulation to your new system.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rick Nasher on April 20, 2019, 21:36:00
Thanks c0d3r9.

I love hibernation, for takes me straight back to where I was prior to shutdown, no need to reopen apps and stuff.
Therefore I've re-enabled it, however now I've come to think of it: Windows 10 has the new "Time-line"  feature.

I'll try and see if that sort of does the same..
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: plenatus on April 20, 2019, 21:51:56
hmmm i never have xx apps open for that it could be useful.
But if its helpful for you....
Timeline -> never used.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rick Nasher on April 21, 2019, 20:41:38
Well, e.g:

Coding in AGK and also looking up some stuff in the online manual and editing some 3d model for it.. ding- time to go sleep.
Next day, start off right where left it while not having to reopen all that stuff individually.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Kronos on June 26, 2019, 20:51:47
Rant!! Back in the old days I always use to feel I was in control of my pc and it was working for me but nowadays Windows seems to be fighting against me at every turn or just doing its own thing while I get in the way of its function. There are 2 processes I now have to kill off everytime I boot my PC as they thrash my hard-drives constantly (SEDLauncher and Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry). Booting up my pc takes 5 minutes plus, before its usuable. I normally strum a few chords on my guitar while I am waiting. The constant updates every other day are driving me nuts. Also games filling my disk space with copious gigs of dlc that I am never going to pay for/unlock. And I can't do a clean install without losing all my saved files etc.

If it wasn't for the security issues I'd go back to XP/2000 in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Yellownakji on June 26, 2019, 21:07:33
Quote from: Kronos on June 26, 2019, 20:51:47
Rant!! Back in the old days I always use to feel I was in control of my pc and it was working for me but nowadays Windows seems to be fighting against me at every turn or just doing its own thing while I get in the way of its function. There are 2 processes I now have to kill off everytime I boot my PC as they thrash my hard-drives constantly (SEDLauncher and Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry). Booting up my pc takes 5 minutes plus, before its usuable. I normally strum a few chords on my guitar while I am waiting. The constant updates every other day are driving me nuts. Also games filling my disk space with copious gigs of dlc that I am never going to pay for/unlock. And I can't do a clean install without losing all my saved files etc.

If it wasn't for the security issues I'd go back to XP/2000 in a heartbeat.

What are your system specs?  Both my laptop and my desktop boot in 12-14 seconds flat every time.
Title: Re: Windows (bloody) 10!!!!
Post by: Rick Nasher on June 27, 2019, 01:08:31
I think you actually can do a reinstall that preserves your files in win 10, which might help.
hold down shift at pressing restart and see if you have any options from there, but backup files first.
What is your win10 version btw. You can get it by entering winver in the search menu.
1903 is the latest one.

I've updated the old beasty to the latest and must say it's rather more stable and usable now, but it's an individual thing from machine to machine. I also always run HWMonitor from CPU-Z to check temps/cpu usage on the golden oldy..