SyntaxBomb - Indie Coders

Well looks like the current existing Monkey 2 forum will be gone too pretty soon:

http://monkeycoder.co.nz/forums/topic/welcome-to-the-new-monkey2-site/

Mark has mirrored an older copy obviously so prepare for ... ah whatever!

A ping confirms: monkey-x.com, blitzbasic.com, monkey2.monkey-x.com are all on the same server, monkeycoder.co.nz is on the new one.

Looks like Mark prefers a tiny community so he can work silently, no marketing, no money - oh wait...

I have more than a couple of new questions now. How did Mark keep a dedicated server running fine if he apparently doesn't even know how to setup a proper redirect (I never bothered to try messing with the server, but now I'm convinced I could have broken in). Next question, did he, or Simon his sex slave butt monkey, believe that abruptly closing things and moving them would somehow jazz everyone up? As far as I can tell, only those who were brown nosers are jazzed up *cough* Playniax. Third question, it seems clear to me that he wants to drop the X from "Monkey X" in favor of just calling it "Monkey 2." It seems like that's why he's moved back to "monkeycoder", is for that very reason. The question is, is that such a good move? The "co.nz" is not a international TLD. What I mean is, search results will likely lower the website for people in other countries simply because it's a TLD for New Zealanders.

The funny part about all of this is, I initially supported Monkey 2, but everytime I came to check up on it, it was really underdeveloped still. So I was biding my time. Now that this has happened though, he's lost me. I'm not interested in future products from him and if he doesn't understand why, it should be clear. If he has the judgement to put Simon in control, who from what I've seen is quite a bad person to be given any form of power, then I probably can't trust his judgement in handling the language long-term in a way that's worth my effort to learn it.

..i never truly understood Mark and his business decisions..what was wrong for him to understand that old, proven recipe (B3D) supposed to be development path, just evolved a bit (modern renderer, mobiles support)..not all at same time, just gradually do it..and he will be just fine (money wise)...instead..entire spectrum of new languages came out, and last one (which i consider a disaster call), killing something which was/is considered actual success (in financial terms) he made(bb.com), and on such bad way that people who spent 2 decades around there, are treated as a street punk..i don't get this guy at all..at all..

Quote from: Naughty Alien on June 10, 2017, 16:44:16
..i never truly understood Mark and his business decisions..what was wrong for him to understand that old, proven recipe (B3D) supposed to be development path, just evolved a bit (modern renderer, mobiles support)..not all at same time, just gradually do it..and he will be just fine (money wise)...instead..entire spectrum of new languages came out, and last one (which i consider a disaster call), killing something which was/is considered actual success (in financial terms) he made(bb.com), and on such bad way that people who spent 2 decades around there, are treated as a street punk..i don't get this guy at all..at all..

The thing to me that was stupidest of all is heasy spent over a decade making blitz noticed and the community grew round his vision. Then he released monkey which to be honest seemed like a damp squib compared to blitz. For the rest of us he's now killed decades of interest and community and is once again a unknown.

This to me is BAD business sense as he is no more know for monkey than I am for any of my released projects. For a indie language coder this is a BAD choice as there is now LOADS of established languages out there which have marketing and are well known.

QuoteI never truly understood Mark and his business decisions

Completely agree.

Quick example:
I need to use BlitzMax for my daily work, as I wrote so many application in this 10 years (mainly based on MaxGUI) that I bonded to it now.
Monkey-x and Monkey2 has no an OS GUI available now (and for what I understood ... never will happen!)
In any case BlitzMax apps are very small and works without problems on Windows system (from W98 to W10).

Now, my logic suggests to me to move to other solutions... so if I look at PureBasic (for example) this has what I *need* (OS GUI support integrated) and it costs about 79 EURO (I think).

For what reason BRL/Mark pulled off everything (I refer to make it open-source and left to anyone) and don't ask a small annual fee for covering maintaing costs?
In any case, I have to spend *at least* 79 EURO to pass to another solution PLUS all the time to learning it PLUS all the time to convert my applications.
Honestly I would be more than happy to PAY for not to move.
Easy money.

And I'm happy with the syntax and features of BlitzMax: it works, it does what I ask, no needs for esoteric features - so for BRL/Mark there were no so many commitments (just emergency patch if any - and in this years I haven't found so many).

No, really, I don't understand!!!

@degac
I still need to install it myself, but BlitzMax NG might be what your looking for.

Yes BMX-NG is in my list and it's the solution (again based on the will of other valid people!)
But I need to change *my* MaxGUI (hacked in time for my goals) to compile it correctly (I got too many errors I need time to restart from zero to hack MaxGUI-for-NG !)

In any case I will point-out the lack of view of someone...