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Yep agree. Was such a shame.

The whole "pay once get updates forever" payment model is so silly, it couldn't end well I guess.
An engine needs a longterm payment model in my opinion, you are never finished.

It's business suicide.

QuoteThe whole "pay once get updates forever" payment model is so silly, it couldn't end well I guess.
An engine needs a longterm payment model in my opinion, you are never finished.

Yup, it's a really silly business model that never works without a continued new fresh audience to which is impossible to sustain. It sounds great for the consumer but it's not great for any developer that relies on that product to finance a living! - Companies are obsessed with growth and new customers while constantly ignoring their core dedicated willing to pay customers.

The best method for income I've seen is you buy a product and get 12 months worth of updates. After 12 months you can still use the software forever but you can no longer update to the latest version without a further 12 months upgrade subscription which is cheaper than the initial purchase price. This I find is a great way for sustained income for the developer and also allows a customer choice.

Well Matthew (and all of us NB users with him) learned that lesson the hard way. 

Yeah, agree Qube, I like the 12 month updates model. Best of both worlds.

Cor!, Me and GarborD posted at exactly the same time - This has to be a sign?... Checks lotto ticket, won £5.40, nope, that's not the sign I'm looking for.

Nuclear BASIC... I never used it. Wasn't there something dodgy about the author? or am I mixing up stories?

Maybe the timestamp is 3 of the lotto numbers for tonight! We just need 3 more...

Nah, don't think you are mixing it up. Most people seemed angry because they didn't fully get what they payed for, like it happened so often with small engines that got abandoned.
I got way more fun out of it than I payed for, so for me it was OK in that regard, but I have other issues with some of the stuff that happened.
But hey... I usually don't hold grudges for long. Was a learning experience.

QuoteMaybe the timestamp is 3 of the lotto numbers for tonight! We just need 3 more...

Lol, I have my lotto ticket for tonight but will buy one with the numbers 1, 48, 21. I'll use other stats to fill in the rest. If I win millions I'll let you know

QuoteNah, don't think you are mixing it up.

I thought there was something on the criminal level? to which I think I've go my wires crossed. Think I need to research about this and what I'm thinking about

Haha nah, I heard nothing of that sort.

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Haha nah, I heard nothing of that sort.

Yeah, It's probably nothing to do with this but I do remember something in the blitz related community with someone getting arrested and going to jail. Can't quite remember where it all links in though

..back then, Matt himself stated that he will have to leave country..why?? I have no idea..regarding pay once fee and get updates forever, well, i think NB/NF community back then, actually, suggested to be charged per update and for some reason Matt never did it...shame really..it is only piece of software i feel sorry to see fading away as it literally worked on any toaster you could imagine and worked really fast..

Totally agree with NA, the one great piece of software for indies that was far superior to anything then and now.

I don't think he even realized how good his product was.
He could have set it up as a long term decent income project, up to even now.
The DX11 update was half done, with that finished it would have been so far ahead of any competitor in the B3D style engine area. You could already do things like tesselation and whatnot in those old versions, imagine where it could be now.

Interesting. Another creator of a programming language who went to jail.

Maybe Mark Sibly should have, the money he conned people out of in later years.

It's sad how many engines never reach their full potential. If they even get finished.
NB could easily be alive and profitable if managed accordingly, C3D could have been a winner (but I may be biased on that one lol) and a Blitz3D 2 would surely have been a big success if done right.
Plus the bajeelions of weird little engines that existed and never got to a usable state. I tried so many...
The audience is there. Sure, it's not a Unity sized target audience, but you don't need to rake in many millions if you have a small solid team.

..i did asked for source version of software (NF) since i have payed for almost everything produced by author, plus some more (500USD for some things to be updated in NF, which never happened)..so source request/access was granted, and idea was to share it with community and keep it alive..but site was down before i could have it...crap...