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Title: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on October 03, 2019, 10:57:34 PM
So the GM version of MacOS Catalina is out with the public release due tomorrow.

As they are moving to 64bit only *sigh* I thought I'd check the state of my installed apps to see how much it's gonna cost me to buy newer versions of old software :o

Luckily I don't think it's too bad :

1.. ionCube PHP encoder
2.. TextMate
3.. TomTom Home ( probably a free update available )
4.. Unity Dashboard plugin?!?!? ( need to look into that more )

I think this time around I'll wait for a couple of updates of Catalina before updating as I'm well overdue to format and reload from fresh and that'll take a many many hours to get everything back up and running.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: MikeHart on October 04, 2019, 04:59:56 AM
Time for another CX update with a 64bit launcher.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on October 04, 2019, 05:43:32 AM
Time for another CX update with a 64bit launcher.
I think it's just stupid for Apple to remove 32bit support as there is really no reason to do so. Granted 64bit is the standard these days but there are many legacy apps that people still want to use but if they upgrade can no longer do so.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Dabz on October 04, 2019, 06:33:43 AM
To be honest, this has been the writing on the wall for a long time with Apple, and I'm really surprised its took them this long to do it... Hopefully software devs foreseen what was happening and adjusted, and will offer free 64bit support for their wares (Obviously some will see this as an opportunity to make a quick buck)... Obviously its a knacker for the end user who relies on legacy code,  I remember when my version of Paintshop CS2 wouldnt work when I upgraded Windows, cannot remember which one now, must of been Vista, anyway, that cost me £250 on Amazon at the time I bought it, and CS3 was like a billion quid.... Adobe must of been over the moon!

It is what it is, but yeah, Apple, if it aint broke, then make them fix it anyway! :/

Dabz
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: dawlane on October 04, 2019, 07:45:19 AM
Time for another CX update with a 64bit launcher.
There is an Xcode project for a CX launcher in the experimental branch on my Cerberus fork.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: iWasAdam on October 04, 2019, 08:14:50 AM
Yep, it's more likely that there is something else going on. Dropping 32bit is the first step the next will probably be a new cpu architecture. sort of like the move from G5 to intel, but in reverse - change the systems step by step then you can change the hardware without problems later...

I'm not upgrading for a while just to let things bed in, but hopefully I'm ready for the jump....
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on October 04, 2019, 08:33:44 AM
I'm not usually in favour of Apple making hardware or software obsolete at the drop of a hat, but 64-bit CPU's have been around a long time now so I welcome the update, even though it could cause problems for some regards legacy software.  Talking of compatability, they should have gone with Vulkan though (not Metal).

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Time for another CX update

Making support easier when everybody is eventually all 64-bit Mike.  :)

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I'm not upgrading for a while just to let things bed in,

Yeah, lets all let Qube make the jump first and tell us how it went.   ;D

 
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: MikeHart on October 04, 2019, 08:41:01 AM
Time for another CX update with a 64bit launcher.
There is an Xcode project for a CX launcher in the experimental branch on my Cerberus fork.
Thanks Dawlane. I did it already via the BlitzMax-NG route. But good to know.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on October 04, 2019, 04:35:34 PM
Yeah, lets all let Qube make the jump first and tell us how it went.   ;D
Lol I doubt I'll be updating for a month or two yet :P
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Xerra on October 04, 2019, 05:24:27 PM
Yeah, lets all let Qube make the jump first and tell us how it went.   ;D

Great idea, I'm with you on this. Let's just pretend we've all updated already so he'll do it as well :-)

Erm, he won't see this, right?  :o
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on October 04, 2019, 06:05:04 PM
Yeah, lets all let Qube make the jump first and tell us how it went.   ;D

Great idea, I'm with you on this. Let's just pretend we've all updated already so he'll do it as well :-)

Erm, he won't see this, right?  :o
Nah, I won't see it ;D
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on October 04, 2019, 11:52:32 PM
Haha  :D
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: therevills on October 05, 2019, 03:32:25 AM
So do we really know why Apple are dropping 32bit support?

Along with the notarization process I'm no longer supporting Mac OSX.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: iWasAdam on October 20, 2019, 12:20:38 PM
Just did the deed and upgraded to Catalina  :o

First report:
Everything went completely smoothy and very quickly. With all 64bit apps fully operational after upgrade including all dev systems.
32bit apps now have a cross through them do denote they are no longer supported.

So. It was painful for me at this end.
OS now going though the system and re-catalogue the system.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: MikeHart on October 20, 2019, 12:34:49 PM
Along with the notarization process I'm no longer supporting Mac OSX.


I wish I could do that. But you know, user demands and this stuff.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: MikeHart on October 20, 2019, 12:36:14 PM
Just did the deed and upgraded to Catalina  :o

First report:
Everything went completely smoothy and very quickly. With all 64bit apps fully operational after upgrade including all dev systems.
32bit apps now have a cross through them do denote they are no longer supported.

So. It was painful for me at this end.
OS now going though the system and re-catalogue the system.


I lost one app that was dear to me (Scrivener 2.x) , but the rest I am fine with. BMax and Bmax-NG doesn't work for me anymore also, glad I created the launcher before.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Derron on October 20, 2019, 02:53:51 PM
Raise an issue for NG ... best of course if you have a specific error message or so


bye
Ron
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on October 20, 2019, 06:44:02 PM
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Just did the deed and upgraded to Catalina  :o

First report:
Everything went completely smoothy and very quickly. With all 64bit apps fully operational after upgrade including all dev systems.
32bit apps now have a cross through them do denote they are no longer supported.

Thanks for the info...Although I thought we agreed to let Qube jump first?    ;D
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on October 20, 2019, 06:59:15 PM
Thanks for the info...Although I thought we agreed to let Qube jump first?    ;D
Pfft! not a chance :P - It'll be a month or two yet before I even think about blanking the drive and reloading everything from fresh. It due a total fresh install and will take a full day to get everything back to normal  :o
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on October 20, 2019, 07:02:20 PM
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blanking the drive and reloading everything from fresh

I thought it was simply an upgrade?...Why are you being so extreme lol?   :o
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: MikeHart on October 20, 2019, 07:58:42 PM
Thanks for the info...Although I thought we agreed to let Qube jump first?    ;D
Cerberus X waits for noone  :D
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on October 20, 2019, 08:08:59 PM
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blanking the drive and reloading everything from fresh

I thought it was simply an upgrade?...Why are you being so extreme lol?   :o
Because I’ve not had a fresh install for 9 years ( something like that ) as I’ve just kept on upgrading on top so I’m due a proper fresh install :)
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Steve Elliott on October 20, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
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Thanks for the info...Although I thought we agreed to let Qube jump first?    ;D

Cerberus X waits for noone  :D

Of course, if you're a Mac Developer you can't let your Mac Customers down.   :D

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blanking the drive and reloading everything from fresh

I thought it was simply an upgrade?...Why are you being so extreme lol?   :o

Because I’ve not had a fresh install for 9 years ( something like that ) as I’ve just kept on upgrading on top so I’m due a proper fresh install :)

9 years?!  Ok, then that makes sense.  I received a High Sierra version of Mac OS when I bought the MacBook Pro - and upgraded to Mojave when it became available.  So I'm not in upgrade upon upgrade upon upgrade territory.
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Ray on October 21, 2019, 04:53:42 AM
I just upgraded, everything works! Lucky me :P
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: imaginaryhuman on November 23, 2019, 08:11:31 PM
So I just did the Catalina update. A whole bunch of favorite 32-bit stuff is now dead including many games. Most of the steam games also no longer work on 32-bit. Had to reinstall several apps that HAD catalina support but many don't.

Anyway... BlitzMax NG is no longer working for me. It says that OS X couldn't verify the 'bcc' app and so it's not allowed to be run.

Has a catalina-compatible version of NG been released yet?
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Derron on November 23, 2019, 09:37:54 PM
Edit: removed and replied in the NG thread.


bye
Ron
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on June 06, 2020, 08:57:13 PM
Time to take the plunge and upgrade to Catalina :-\

Fresh clean install of everything due to having cloned and updated MacOS for years so it's due a fresh install. I hope this isn't going to cost much if I need new licenses for old software :o - Plus cleanly restoring 10,000's of emails since 2009 + dozens of MAMP sites with MySQL + settings and configurations for God knows what I've forgotten about :P

Fingers crossed and hope to see you on the other side soon ;D
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: MikeHart on June 07, 2020, 08:04:21 AM
Did it work out?
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Qube on June 07, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Did it work out?
Nope :( Catalina installed just fine but transferring all the needed stuff and setting up would've taken a lot longer than hoped so it was a case of screw it for now and SuperDuper'd from a backup. I'll dive in again once I've got a couple of days spare as there is heaps to sort out for work. Shame I just can't install Catalina,  AGK, a few graphic and music apps and be done with it :P
Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: Xerra on June 07, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Been running Catalina for a few months now. Most of the stuff I use has been updated for it on the app side but a lot of old games are useless now. That's not a real issue but having to set things up with my games so I can build them with the proper x-code compiler has got a lot harder. Still not got my head around certifying them with Apple so they're marked for automatic quarantine when extracted from a zip file. People then have to do the shell process to unlock them which isn't good for people who don't do technical processes like this. Most people expect apps to just work. At present I have to build with the interpreted runner from Gamemaker 2 which, while not really noticeable, isn't as optimised as the x-code method.

When i look into setting them all up to certify with Apple it just does my nut in.

Title: Re: MacOS Catalina 64bit apps ONLY!!!
Post by: MikeHart on June 07, 2020, 01:30:48 PM
Good luck to you guys. That platform can be a pain in the rear end.
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