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I'M interested to know how the Corona Virus have affected your projects, your social life, your day-job (optional) if you have one.
Be serious guys!

I've been unemployed (by choice) since June last year, had an interview for a seemingly perfect job two weeks ago, perfect fit - programming, my field, my languages, research and development....and as of a few days ago hiring stopped.

I've been living off savings - not using the dole for that time, and now...with everything shutting down it makes what was difficult to get a job basically impossible.

Quote from: bsisko on March 24, 2020, 00:44:37
I'M interested to know how the Corona Virus have affected........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic
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These data are updated every day. I am always frightened by the data of the countries.

Italy has 63,927 cases and United States has 44011 cases. Is there any Italian member at this forum?

This one does too i think. Represented visually (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1N_ZNBPiyy08iMIRIWt4ox6k_FZo1MAkcO-vJRXvKAey1FIAtsKOkbblo#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

I am doing HomeOffice for a week now. Works pretty well. As I have asthma for years now, I am of course nervous about all this. My city has strict rules now about being outside. Only to go shopping, to work, or to the doctor. You can go for a walk with ony one more person.Only with family members that live in your household it could be more. All shops (besides food and tool markets), bars, clubs, gyms, restaurants were closed. You are surpose to keep distance of 1.5 meters between each person.
Public transportation runs less frequent. And of course, toilet paper, yeast and desinfection sprays are hard to find. People sell them overpriced on ebay, so you know where the stocks went.

What I find great is that the air seems to be more clean and the noize is much less.

Personally I don't believe the numbers of deaths reported in Germany, they must be higher. And for sure we have more cases, but they only test if you were in a risk area before. Well the state were I live was declared a risk area already.  ::) 

I work from home so luckily I don't have to worry about that side. I do have a worry that the companies who I write apps and do remote work for may just stop dead / go out of business / not want anything done but so far they've most recently wanted to get setup so they can do remote work from home and link to the servers on site. Time will tell but so far so good on that front.

When all this started I began by buying just what was needed just like any other time. I noticed the shelves getting sparse but just thought that people were buying a little extra. Then recently when I went shopping and saw shelves stripped in every store I thought "What option am I left with if everyone else is super bulk buying?" - So unfortunately thanks to the selfish me me me people I've been left with no choice but to grab what I can, where I can.

Quote from: MikeHart on March 24, 2020, 04:47:27
Personally I don't believe the numbers of deaths reported in Germany...

Personally I don't believe any of the numbers and would say it's far greater than the "official" ones. I still think there is something more to it all to warrant all these measures. Hope it all fizzles away soon but part of me believes the worst is yet to come.

..i have just finished/deployed my hardware on to several oil rigs, and got more projects offered for redesigning robots for processor manufacturing...not that affect me at all...all this zombie apocalypse freak show doesnt compute at all..

..and its patented, of course..
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10130701B2/en

two weeks ago the university I (till end of March) work for asked us to do home office if possible. Another "letter" even stated to just stay home ...
New job contract (from April on :D) has to be signed by someone working in home office now. That half-privately funded institute offers home office too and disallows to work in laboratories if not the only person in there.
Hope they properly sign as money... is needed :D

Home office itself: does not properly work. We live in a flat/appartment and I have a room in which my computers, tinker stuff, ... is placed. Yet our two kids (1 and 4) are not so keen to let me work. Till previous sunday my wife was working in shifts but as MikeHart wrote restaurants, gym clubs, ... closed. Also she would normally have holiday this week so ... I think we should get back the holiday week as government forbid opening their working place.

Last week I was buying stuff - or at least "checking out" - daily in 3 local stores. No toilet paper or kitchen paper everywhere (even in penny stores). We had some rolls left so not an emergency case yet. Stores had a lot of vegetables, fruits and fresh meat. Some stuff was not delivered (fresh yeast - nowhere?!) but other important products like salt, meal, pasta were available in masses. In one store the "cheap pasta" was out of stock ... but this does not have to say much.

Food wise we already have a lot of stuff at home (as I always bought a little "too much" so I can bake a cake if my kids want it, or cook XYZ if they desire). Yet I will go out today to buy a little more - always just what fits into a normal backbag. Why? Each day you wait the number of infected grows. So the number of potential "in the supermarket too" number grows - and so infection chance.
So if you did like they asked: staying at home. You sooner or later end up having empty shelves and then are required to buy stuff. Infection rate then is higher (grows for now faster than curing rate).


Government asks to stay at home: for kids living in a single family house often have a garden in which you can play. Living in a flat means you might have a balcony but else ... are forcing your kids to stay in their rooms. Exception is going for a walk - but you are not allowed to go to a playground or so. As they now required you to stay home this way (only go out for buying stuff or when going to work) you are even not allowed to visit friends (even if you only visited them and they only visit you), you cannot bypass the limitation a tiny bit to offer the kids a bit more variation.
Having a bit older kids would ease stuff: giving them a book to read, power on the TV for some kids TV or hand out a tablet / laptop ...


@ numbers in Germany
I do not know of an infected or a buddy who knows of an infected ... so numbers of validated are still "low". Numbers of Deaths will surely rise and some countries might just blindly count every death in a region as Corona death while Germany (and other countries) count only persons dying while being affected by Corony syntoms or tested positively for it. For now many infected in Germany were coming from sports areas - and from "costume parties" (in Heinsberg). So it should have affected mostly younger and "fitter" people - more healthy ones. Yet most dying people were 70+ (for now...).
Think the British magazines/newspapers are right with the "social assumption": Spain and Italy are "family countries" in which grand parents live near their kids - sometimes even in the same house. So more older people were affected and so more "no longer so healthy" persons.


bye
Ron

Hi
I'm italian.
The situation is taken very seriously here since the beginning. Of course we have the 'usual idiots' who don't care to follow the rule to respect the others... but the number is low.

I'm working from home (IT sector is considered a vital activity in this moment) - I can exit my home just for grocery shopping and - in my case - just for work. No walk, no bike, no meetings, no sport activities more than 200 mt from your home.
And in any case maintaing the 'social distance' of 1 or more meter from each one.
But honestly - exlcuding the 'social life' (pub, cinema etc) everything is working perfectly (no shortage of food or other goods, communications are ok)

I know at last two people that have friends or relatives infected by Covid19 - both working in health activities or shelter houses.
Many friends are blocked in home, with no work at the moment.

The good news is that it seems the peak of death/infection is reached and now we are getting of the slope.

We need just to follow the basic line to pass the moment.

Surely I'm getting crazy blocked in house :D

I work for local borough council and we had a council-wide conference call yesterday at mid-day to basically state that, from this morning, anyone who is not an essential key-worker, adult social care, childrens services, and a few others are basically working from home. Services like waste collection were being run but had at least 50% of the workers already self-isolating or actually being ill with something. To my knowledge, in our council, there's not been any confirmed cases. Either that, or they've kept quite about it. Last count I saw said my borough had 40 confirmed cases in the area, which isn't a lot, but I'd expect it to escalate as there are a lot of non-English speakers and people with don't-care-attitudes that will ignore Government advice.

My other-half also works for the council and she's part of an administration team, while I work within an I.T and data analysis team. Both of us are naturally really not needed in an emergency like this so we are now working from home for the foreseeable future. We both have elderly parents but I'm lucky in having siblings who are looking after my side, so we will alternate dropping shopping and stuff off to her mum and dads house. They are under strict instructions to both not answer the door and see anyone outside of the house for as long as possible. The missus will, after a couple of weeks to make sure we're clear of any bugs we might have caught at the council, resume popping round every couple of days to clean their house and make sure they are ok because both of them are 80+, which is very worrying.

The missus is a natural worrier so she's always well-stocked with stuff like toilet rolls and cleaning stuff. We don't have a huge hoard of food but we'll cope as this panic buying situation in the UK is frankly stupid. I don't believe the government all the time but when they say it's stupid to be queuing outside tesco for 400+ people trying to empty the shelves out of pure greed and panic, I believe it. Italy haven't had any issues with food supply despite having had the problem longer than us and the Italians have now stopped doing this as they've realised. I expect the UK to do that too, pretty soon. Especially as there are more restrictions in place with Police getting FPN powers since yesterday.

I'm planning to do a bit of running in the afternoons, as it's been a while, and we'll do a daily shopping trip just for essentials, more as a way of getting out of the house for a while, as there's not a lot else we're going to be allowed to do pretty soon.

Apart from this, apart from maybe getting a little stir-crazy, we're going to cope just fine. I'm setting all my work equipment up in the loft and the missus will use the kitchen table, so we don't mess with the layout in my man-cave, as both our computer desks for entertainment are set up in there. I'm going to enjoy the peace and quiet, in all honesty. I doubt very much I'll be working as hard as I would be in the office but also nobody is really going to care as I'm not really needed at present. If I end up playing some Diablo, Playstation or have a nap in the afternoons then it's not really going to affect much at all. I've been delegated as a cordinator for a couple of teams at work to make sure everyones capable of working from home and has no issues, but this is just a whatsapp group to ensure people stay communicating more than anyone else.

I do think it's going to get a lot worse in the UK before it blows over, and our chief-exec thinks it's very likely that more than 80% of the country will probably get it at some point before everything blows over, but things have to be the way they are now to prevent it all happening at once and completely fucking up the NHS ability to cope. They might have a chance at saving more lives if people co-operate and try to avoid getting it as much as possible, and I completely get that and will follow the rules.

While I'm going on about this, I'd like to thank anyone who's reading who is working in the NHS, or any kind of medical area in any country. You guys are salt of  the earth and I really hope you get the appreciation you all deserve once this finally blows over and everyone can see how hard you tried to get us all through this.

Stay safe, everyone.

Day to day it's not much different for me.  I work from home and have for years.  My neighborhood is eerily quiet though.  I saw this coming and stocked up on dry food in Feb, but I'll still go to the store from time to time.  As long as my clients still pay their invoices I should be Ok.  My wife and daughter stuck in China though.

I've just started working from home, I need to get my desk set up right to use the work laptops (2). It seems strange to me at the moment...

I'm in Oz (same as Matty) and the gov has recently shut down pubs, club, gyms etc. Shops shelves are pretty empty on the rice, flour, toilet paper, cans etc....

It's the apocalypse people!  :o

I always work from home, not much of a socialite anyway so this works in my favor.

As a Wedding Photographer it's terrible news because Weddings are now banned.  My Wedding Fayres have also been cancelled by the company hosting them (two in April) and we'll see after that.  Luckily my wife is a Nurse and she's being offered work left, right and centre.  I just hope she doesn't become ill.  What really annoys me is the selfish twats (pic attached) being allowed to strip the supermarkets, there is no need for it.  I've been saying for some time, that supermarkets should be limiting the amount people can buy.  Sadly only now are supermarkets beginning to restrict the number of items from each line per customer.

With couples spending this much time together at home, with not much to do, a comedienne in my country postulated that there's going to be a "corona baby-boom", an entire generation born from quarantined couples.

Quote from: Kryzon on March 24, 2020, 14:00:39
With couples spending this much time together at home, with not much to do, a comedienne in my country postulated that there's going to be a "corona baby-boom", an entire generation born from quarantined couples.

Someone told me divorce offices wer filled in China. People can annoy each other if "forced" to stay together 24/7 - plus additional stress.

Also not everybody is willed to get pregnant in economically "uncertain" times.


bye
Ron

@Gfk :D

@Derron I heard that too. When the couples don't spend that much time together because of work schedules etc., when they're actually forced to do that, they notice how much their spouses have changed, or the love is gone or something like that. A bit sad tbh

I went out this morning and saw this...  :o

I fell over and can't get up either!

https://youtu.be/JQ1ZOFNBL68

Perfect in this Corona-Virus time....

This is already me and the missus 2 days into working from home :-)

The misses has a hairdressers appointment in a couple of weeks. Not sure if it'll happen but if needed I've sorted this out :

New Zealand here.

We've just gone into a month (at least) of lock-down.
I work from home anyway and lead a fairly hermetic life, so not a huge change for me.
But it's weird to see no traffic on the road and even though I don't work offsite, there's a definite feeling like everyday now is a Sunday.

Hopefully we've gone into lock-down before community spread of the virus got going and so we're 'ahead of the curve'.

Strange days.

@Xerra,  ;D

Also working from home here in England s East Midlands. There's normally numerous vapour trails from airliners transiting be the north south corridor to cross the atlantic., There was zero vapour trails on a clear blue sky. Police have been dispersing people from our local park.

Got the old Amiga in from the cold:

Came across this.  Math behind "The Curve".

Well been hoping to get the man cave decorated, so I can at least get the living room back. But alas, I've haven't enough paint to finish the walls after I'd painted the living room. The only person that can get me more of the paint I've been using, is supplied from my niece's decorator boyfriend. But at the moment he cannot get any with all this chaos.

So I've spent the time baking stuff that I cannot get from the supermarkets, with me having to keep to a strict gluten free diet. I begrudge having to pay £4 for a steak pie that I can eat in one bite that has less meat in it than a chicken McNugget. Only problem is now, is that it's getting hard to obtain gluten free ingredients. This is thanks to panic buyers stripping the gluten free shelves because there is bugger all on the regular shelves. I hope they soon find out that it's not as healthy as these A-list celebrities make it out to be, when they have put on two stones in weight, or find out that cardboard tastes better. I would love to be the fly on the wall when they try to make bread with gluten free flour and the dough is no better than wall paper paste. :))

Though today I may give the baking a bit of a rest and do some tinkering with coding, that's if I can focus on anything today.

Quote from: 3DzForMe on March 26, 2020, 02:29:24
@Xerra,  ;D
Got the old Amiga in from the cold:

The A1200 <3 - I will always have a soft spot for that Amiga. The day I got one after using an A500 for so long was a revelation. Vic 20, C64 and the A1200. Wish I was a kid again and these machines were still in favour.

..it may sounds weird, but i loved that 'plasticy'. 'electronic' smell those machines have had.. ;D

Hello, I hope everyone is well.

here in Argentina also quarantined.

Personally, it does not bother me to be at home, since I work from my living room, I take the time to program projects as a hobby, and keep my mind busy, either programming or playing a video game.

I get bored of eating, of the routine, I have beers in the afternoon and evening, and I usually stay up until dawn, usually programming in blitz.

I am positive, I hope that all this terrible situation opens the eyes to everyone.

I really hope you are well. my greetings!!!
Santiago

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I have beers in the afternoon and evening, and I usually stay up until dawn, usually programming in blitz.

Some people have predicted a baby boom, but also couples spending 24/7 together maybe a high divorce rate.   ;)

But also the time to possibly create some amazing coding during lockdown.

Quote from: TomToad on March 26, 2020, 08:06:50
Came across this.  Math behind "The Curve".

Thanks just the thing I was looking for! Now about those diffy's ;-))

Amiga still doing the bizness  :D

Hi, from France :)

here we are only allowed to go out to buy foods or fuel or meds, we must keep at least 1m distance between each other, cops are roaming everywhere. quite a paranoid ambiance here...

not sure if this "virus" is something dangerous or not, the people who get very sick (or die) seem old or with previous problems.
i have had similar symptoms (difficulties to breath and small coughs and slight pains in the lungs area) but it went away...

but i know a friend who work at a hospital, and he says that some young adults are also sick. so not sure...

good luck to you all.

I bought this book late last year I think.  Attached.

If you can't read the photo:Donald Trump is giving a speech dressed in a Hazmat suit warning about a virus.

..i personally do not believe a word of official narrative..this is more likely planned destruction of entire economy worldwide..after all, corona virus seems to be patented in US, several years ago, by Pirbright Institute...guess who owns it? Bill Gates Foundation...creep who was crying all over the place how we have to protect ourselves from this sort of crap, while hes 'manufacturing ' it..

I think biological warfare was always going to be the next step of 'modern warfare', although I didn't think I would see such a thing in my lifetime - IF this virus was released deliberately? Let's also face the fact that eating unusual and exotic animals, dead or alive, can only cause all kinds of problems, no?

Throwing bombs and bullets are very much frowned upon these days. That kind of fighting now ends with a backlash as it's obvious where they came from.

Bio-warfare on the other hand can cause unimaginable amounts of damage to people and economies, killing both literally. Bio-warfare is also invisible to the naked eye while it does it initial damage. By the time something can be done about it, it's too late. Also tracing and proving 'who did it' very quickly switches on the conspiracy theories. To top that off too... conspiracy theories are not always wrong, no matter how crazy and outlandish they can become - I would think that covering up the truth with conspiracy would be a great camouflage in itself.

Anyway, this virus has definitely caught all world leaders with their pants down: 10's of thousands of dead people globally - including the doctors and nurses trying to save people, governments are having knee jerk reactions to it all by locking everyone up, scientists are panicking to find a vaccine, the economy has almost come to a grinding halt. The world leaders all over the globe are 100% taken by surprise with this scenario - the whole thing is incredibly sad and tragic.

..well..mortality rate of this 'plague' is a mere joke, compared to 250 000 deaths a year caused by doctors, in USA alone..more than gun kills..but  worldwide economy doesnt go down the drain for that...then it seems that people who died from 'plague', have had other illness condition far serious prior to 'corona' which eventually lead to death..over here, several people reported that their relatives, marked dead from 'corona', actually died in car accident (lungs crushed vs dash), yet its shown as corona death..its damn scam all this crap..

keep in mind china's reasoning, slow everyone else down so they can jump ahead.

...here is famous virus patented by USA   https://patents.google.com/patent/US10130701B2/en  , and Bill Gates Foundation owns it...how is china guilty of all this, is beyond me..

As far as patents go its intended for vaccines, which is indeed shady in of its self.
Yet it does state 'The coronavirus may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject.' either way i'd still take that with a grain of salt. Granted china's cuff's arn't completely clean either.
Which ever direction the politics of this situations goes will tell who has the larger financial backing. 

What is rather alarming is the patent china is trying to file for 'Remdesivir' which was developed by the American pharmaceutical company Gilead Sciences, Inc.

but even more so is that Gilead Sciences has already filed 133 coronavirus patents related to 'Remdesivir' in 43 countries and patent offices around the world since 2011.

Wouldn't surprise me if someone had put this out there into the world to nuke the economy with minimal fatalities. I'm no conspiracy theorist but this virus is actually doing one thing that actually benefits the government to an extent. Killing off the elderly and the infirm. People who are mostly healthy are generally shaking the damn thing off while people with ailments and conditions are losing their lives. The same people who are generally not paying much, if anything, in taxes and pulling money from the benefits system.

I'd hate to think this pandemic is looked at in this way but everyone knows the economy has gone to pot :-(

What's that loony in North Korea up to these days, btw? He's been very quiet. Kind of tin-pot crazy thing they reckon he's capable of, after all. Although the common opinion that people are eating stuff they're just not supposed to eat seems to be at blame.

Well this thread went exactly as expected.

..and here are other people posting info about empty hospitals, while mainstream media screaming how everything is overloaded..i have personally went this morning to largest hospital here in Kuala Lumpur, Sungai Buloh hospital, allegedly overloaded with covid patients...its EMPTY or to be more accurate, at usual 20% of its capacity just like before 'pandemic' crap..

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=empty%20hospitals%20&src=typed_query

Quote from: LineOf7s on March 30, 2020, 23:57:39
Well this thread went exactly as expected.

Right. Which is why I left this thread to have conspiracy dudes talking to their own only :D


bye
Ron

Quote from: Naughty Alien on March 31, 2020, 04:08:52
..and here are other people posting info about empty hospitals, while mainstream media screaming how everything is overloaded..i have personally went this morning to largest hospital here in Kuala Lumpur, Sungai Buloh hospital, allegedly overloaded with covid patients...its EMPTY or to be more accurate, at usual 20% of its capacity just like before 'pandemic' crap..

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=empty%20hospitals%20&src=typed_query

I think that must have something to do with martial law being in effect over there. Last I heard from my cousin was that rice was worth it's weight in gold and that they had added tighter restrictions. I'll have to ask her what the latest news is over there.

Quote from: Naughty Alien on March 31, 2020, 04:08:52
..and here are other people posting info about empty hospitals, while mainstream media screaming how everything is overloaded..i have personally went this morning to largest hospital here in Kuala Lumpur, Sungai Buloh hospital, allegedly overloaded with covid patients...its EMPTY or to be more accurate, at usual 20% of its capacity just like before 'pandemic' crap..

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=empty%20hospitals%20&src=typed_query (https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=empty%20hospitals%20&src=typed_query)

Only an idiot would think that they keep covid patients with the regular ones. Similar to the idiot who went in Germany to the ER section to find it pretty empty. And made a conspiraciy video from it.
THEY ARE NOT KEEPED IN THE SAME AREAS. THEY HAVE SEPARATE SECTIONS/AREAS WHERE IDIOTS WITH TINFOIL CAPS DEFINITELY HAVE NO ACCESS TO IT.


I wish you would empty your brain garbarge infront of family members which passed from this shitty virus. They definitely would tell you something.

Don't underestimate that virus. My wife works in intensive care in our local hospital (Germany) and they had already some young cases too. Youngest was a 5 months old baby which needed ventilation. The old people usually die within 1-2 days on a sepsis and resulting multi organ failure. In the first days (beginning last weeks) they had 8 new cases where 4 of them died (one was 52, the other beyond 70). Official numbers for our region are still at ZERO deaths.

And yes Mike is right. Those areas are separated.

QuoteI wish you would empty your brain garbarge infront of family members which passed from this shitty virus. They definitely would tell you something.

....im very sure that asking questions and doubting things may lead astray, and thats a fact..however that is, and should never been a reason to stop questioning things, long as you seek honest truth..but how would you  know that, archgeige..

Quote from: Naughty Alien on March 30, 2020, 08:09:16
...here is famous virus patented by USA   https://patents.google.com/patent/US10130701B2/en  , and Bill Gates Foundation owns it...how is china guilty of all this, is beyond me..

This is the sort of stuff that conspiracy theorist dive on and shovel out the door along with what COVID-19 stands for ( The 19th Chinese-Originated Viral Infectious Disease ).

I suggest you READ THIS (https://fullfact.org/online/wuhan-virus-patent-gates/) which will enlighten you to the actual real facts regarding the patent. But then again it could be another conspiracy which leads to a never ending rabbit hole.

I understand how people start looking for alternative explanations, but these have a very tiny chance of being the truth. We live in a mostly free world, and the scientific community is extremely free of coercion. Even if it isn't EVERYWHERE, it only takes some significant proportion of experts to spot a conspiracy, and there are thousands of immunologists and virologists studying all these things, with nobody breathing down their necks or telling them what they can publish. This has been the way all through the history of science, and is even more true in the digital age.

When we're frightened, we have a natural tendency to mistrust the information and the messenger. Subconsciously, if we can find a flaw in the news, it might just all go away. It's a hard thing to do to accept the things we're being told, but it really is not because they're not reasonable explanations.

One thing I've sometimes asked conspiracy theorists is to consider whether they think events ever happen by accident, as they're reported. If the official line is so unbelievable, ask yourself EXACTLY why that is. Would you accept the official line on how the Spanish Flu originated, or HIV, or the Black Death that wiped out a third of the population? It doesn't matter that they didn't have the technology to do it back then - it happened without technology, therefore it can happen without technology now.

What about the cold virus - as the last useful link says, itself a type of coronavirus - was that an evil plot? It kills people. What about all the various types of pox that swept through the population all through human history? Viruses are natural, evolving bits of genetic code. They're part of the hostile environment that is biology. They jump species. They reproduce by the methods they've evolved, and exist because they can exist.

Certainly, there is some possibility that a biological viral weapon could be developed, but with all that prior history of them being here anyway, you better do some proper research if you're going to put a case together for the latter explanation.

Finally, I kind of wonder what kind of moronic uber-rich elite decides it'll be good for its further wealth, health and happiness by unleashing a deadly virus. They depend on the economy functioning because they're creaming the freaking top off massively! Banks, big business and governments are deeply co-dependent, and they want everything to keep going on nice and steady - more is better, but don't push it too far, like 2008. You don't try to rock the boat when you're the captain.

And a smaller, poorer group? Well, they'd stick to guns and bombs, things they can control: they don't unleash a deadly virus, because it's likely to kill them, isn't it? Actually, NOBODY unleashes a deadly virus unless everyone they care about has some kind of immunity. So if you want to find that evidence, you've got your work cut out.

People can theorize all they want, but when people near you die, I think some should keep their opinions to themselves.

(https://i.imgur.com/OHphT6O.png)

Innovative use of medically approved 3d printed ventilators..... Good news 😉

I do hope that there will be a full public inquiry into all this, starting with all government departments involved and advisers, to opposition political parties trying to use a crisis to further their own agendas, right down to the media and their actions.

Quote from: 3DzForMe on April 02, 2020, 06:49:56
Innovative use of medically approved 3d printed ventilators..... Good news 😉

Hope that everyone has 3D printers that are good enough and fast enough to produce the quantities needed.

To: 3DzForMe


Excuse me, can you tell the source of that news? In Spain we see signs of delay in speeding up the certification of these respirators with purely bureaucratic arguments, without taking into account the situation of extreme life catastrophe that we suffer.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.3dnatives.com/en/3d-printed-respirator-230320205/amp/

QuoteCOVID-19 stands for ( The 19th Chinese-Originated Viral Infectious Disease )

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I missed this one!


Before someone starts thinking

COVID-19 = COronaVIrus Disease-2019

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_2

ok, so now it is bad to be a skeptic and ask questions and search to try to understand precisely what is going on ?
and it is better to repeat and follow what the medias / governements / "experts" say ?  ::)

what if i tell you that i already know 2 potential treatments (for this virus or others microbes in the plasma) without harmful side effects, one is rather high tech, was used in some hospitals at a time, but then was mysteriously forgotten... the other is low tech, is "open source", and is surpisingly not well known... i personally use it from time to time (electro therapy)...

but no, there is only one way : a med with a weird name distributed by pharmacies...

one thing is sure, i will be the last one standing hihi  8)

Quotewhat if i tell you that i already know 2 potential treatments (for this virus or others microbes in the plasma) without harmful side effects, one is rather high tech, was used in some hospitals at a time, but then was mysteriously forgotten... the other is low tech, is "open source", and is surpisingly not well known... i personally use it from time to time (electro therapy)...

Well, I tell you that you/other should prove these 2 'potential' treatments, it's the scientific approach.
When in Italy someone told there were some farms that could be useful on Covid19, they started immediately 'fast-test' (skipping the normal approach): so there's always an 'open mind' approach in critical situation.
But for example the Japanese medicine was a fault: it doesnt' even exist on the market, the side effects were so high that the company retired it from the market.
But even this way was explored.

You still can believe in anything or be skeptic, like me on your approach.
I'm not a medic or scientist so I can't give solutions.

Moreover, treatments on the effects of Covid-19 and treatments on the Covid-19 are two different things.

There's - literally - an entire world searching for a vaccine, none of the scientists that have some systems already working in lab want to start immediate application on humans, they need to test it for months.

there's plenty of theories and fake news around, false hopes and easy business.

I know only one thing: after more than 3 weeks - finally - the number of 'free' place in Intensive Care Unit is increased. This means that the 'lock down' (be at home, spatial distant and so on) solution is the only one working at the moment.
This get time to search a vaccine solution for everyone.

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I tell you that you/other should prove these 2 'potential' treatments, it's the scientific approach

i understand the necessity and usefulness of the scientific method, however nowadays others requirements / constraints have been added to consider an experiment and its results valid or not, and it does not follow anymore the good sense and aim of the scientific method, imo.

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You still can believe in anything or be skeptic, like me on your approach.

i consider myself skeptic but open minded and curious, the best attitude in the world :P

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I'm not a medic or scientist so I can't give solutions.

then you don't understand the scientifc method... degrees and titles are irrevelant to determine what is most likely true or false, efficient or inefficient...

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there's plenty of theories and fake news around, false hopes and easy business.

and of course only one solution is true and efficient : a medicine or a vaccine made (sold) by the pharmaceutical industry.
you must feel scared and disempowered if you believe that...
(but i agree that there are many scammers who will take advantage of such crisis)

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a vaccine solution for everyone

no thanks

Semi Related news - from an email I sent to some friends and family....

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Good Afternoon folks,

I attached a graph below and did some research after viewing it.

On one of my game portals they show per country, over time, the dollar value associated with advertising on a 'cost per thousand views' basis (CPM).

I wouldn't have normally seen these figures had I not been putting my game online on an ad sponsored model.

But there is something you can see quite clearly - and the media reports it too.

The cost per thousand views has dropped - you can see the ponit of inflection on the curve - at the 15th of March 2020.

It basically linearly decreases from the 15th of March until the 1st of April and then remains flat.

What does this mean?

It means that the companies would normally spend on advertising are doing less of it.  With less advertising being thrown about, the amount of money being thrown at internet advertising has dropped.

Therefore it is cheaper to advertise at the moment.

But in another sense - these businesses have stopped advertising because a) there are less businesses in good health and b) they do not have the money to spend on advertising.

So...this is a key point that shows pretty much exactly where and when the economy changed.

You can see right on about the 15th of March - the worldwide advertising budgets were slashed and continued to drop. Until they've plateaued from April 1st onwards.

They have not risen yet.

In one sense it means the economies of the world are suffering.

In another - it is a perfect time for some with money to take advantage of the cheaper advertising costs.

And interestingly...someone bought up all the internet advertising in Germany on a single day in April...see attached....and the Asian countries advertising all fell to zero.

Actually - every single country on this chart has its advertising cost go haywire after the first of April.

Something not quite right about this company's data source.

That advertising in Germany ... I oddly had a google advertisment coming through that day - other ads are normally blocked on the google hit pages. The ad appeared on all hits I had the day (and maybe even later?). First I thought it is some malware thing.
The ad was about animal shelters and covid 19.

Had to add a manual filter to get rid of it.

bye
Ron

When in doubt, ask Trevor :-)



-Henri

Here is a page from a joke book I bought in March 2017. Attached.

https://youtu.be/OJ9f378T49E

A 1980s coronavirus equivalent scare campaign. ..more deaths than ww2 eh?

We have stage 4 restrictions.

There is one group who can ignore travel and distancing restrictions:Intimate partners.

Solution:declare yourself bisexual and polyamorous and you can visit anyone, anywhere in any size group.

In the U of K, gets on my nerves (albeit slightly) Bo Jo, for the sake of frickkin poly ticks, doesn't folly niccky sturgeon excellent lead on face masks.... And eludes to the fact England.... May follow suit. Ffs.

I think they will do a u-turn on face masks once the data is clear they make catching Covid-19 an even higher risk. Reason being that most are wearing "face coverings" that are not graded to stop the breathing in of the virus and instead when you are out and about & come into contact with it, it builds up and passes through the face covering so you end up continually breathing it in. Same for those infected, it builds up in their face covering and they become a walking super spreader.

Wait for the big spike coming soon to a town near you and a speedy reverse on face coverings that are not graded to stop the virus passing through :o :o :o

You should wear masks with sufficient layers.  If they're the disposable kind wear them once then throw them away; if they're re-usable wear them then wash them before re-use.  Do not put your mask under your nose or chin or generally play with it.  Use hand gel before and after entering shops and wash your hands when you return home. 

I work in a coffee shop and I wear my face mask for up to 9 hours at a time(not including my 20 minute break) they are not hard to wear, they do not make it hard to breath, but every single person that walks through the door has to pull their face mask down and try to lean around my plastic shields to tell me what they want.
I swear the stupidity of these people is going to get me sick

@grindalf, don't let it get to you, try and accept people are dicks. My daughter worked in a very busy small cafe prior to lock down, I empathise.

I've been away in both Norwich and Devon this last week and been coincidentally in two of the lowest areas in the country with the infection rate. Two people I know that work in admin at the main hospital in Norwich told me that there are no cases on the covid ward at all, to their knowledge.

In the South-West (Devon) area people are happily going about their business visiting cafe's and pubs mostly responsibly, and also wearing masks when going into shops - mainly because they have been told they have to. The pubs have bacterial gel in the entrances and you can sign in your details (if you want to - nobody is forcing it) but the only real noticeable difference from normal operation is that there's a couple of tables closed off (probably just for show) and you are mostly ordering food/drink on your phone. And that's not even new it seems - it just wasn't the usual way until recently. Nothing to stop you going to the bar to actually order but there were lots of signs saying that you should avoid that where possible.

Probably they're just lucky that there's been no real issues in these places but I can see why people are struggling to believe all the TV news when they've had virtually no exposure. Not to mention an inept government that keeps changing its mind on what it should be doing depending on whatever keeps the bigger groups happy. They close off anyone from viewing sport events that were meant to be trialling a staged return, such as the World snooker championship, because it's ... Too Risky! Yet they have kept pubs and restaurants open, where it's not possible to wear a mask practically, and people are all rammed together anyway, because they need to get business back up and running. You can even get 50% discount on your food for Mon,Tues and Wednesday to encourage you to do it.

I was in a beer garden in a pub in Norwich last Saturday with multiple friends as well as a lot of other people due to the FA Cup being on the box. People were as respectful of your space as was practical but there's no way the 1Meter rule could be enforced in this situation without pissing off a load of people who just wanted a drink and a chat with their mates.

Personally I think they're putting too much emphasis on trying to lockdown areas where the virus is spreading wildly and not looking enough at nailing on the head the reason why it's spiking in that particular spot.

not sure if you have followed the controversy which happened in France but this demonstrated the difference between verifiable observable facts and (fake) "scientific" propaganda.
dr didier raoult vs lancet "scientists" report (lol)

seeing the not so high number of deaths (of people who would have died of something else anyway) this "pandemic" is clearly to push something else, maybe more fear and distanciation and paranoia between people ? (oups already like that), less riots ? (oups already forbidden), more surveillance ? (5G and sensors / cameras are put in place in cities), vaccine to track people ? (not sure about this one, but there are some clues here and there...)

all of this for your health and well being of course, so don't worry ;)

At least I have a use for all my holy socks, just make face masks out of them. 8)

@RemiD

An excerpt from an email I sent to family since we are heavily locked down in Winter.

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I present to you a thought experiment for the covid period.

Many commercial office buildings in the cbd will be mostly empty.

Many homes previously unoccupied between 9am and 5pm will be.

It is Winter, thus heating is desireable.

An office that previously housed and heated 50 individuals will no longer require heating.

Instead, approximately 50 houses will need to be heated instead, likely at far less efficiency.

Commercial electricity rates are likely already lower per unit kw than residential due to bulk purchasing.

So a drop of the heat required to heat 50 people shifted on to a less efficient 50 homes instead at a higher dollar rate.

This will likely lead to an increase in revenues of electricity companies that will not be insubstantial.

My guess is that for every employee not in an office the revenue will go up by one home's Winter electricity bill per home required to heat instead.

I'm with Gfk for the use of masks.

You should wear a mask for the same reason a surgeon wears one when working. It's not to protect the surgeon but to help protect the patient, ie not to protect you from others but to protect others from you.

The masks help out a lot --- saw a lot of attractive woman (at least their eyes) but as soon as they went of their mask ... you saw the faces of too much sun studios, nicotin or puberty (acne).
For man a lot similar stuff could be said.
For some of us it might be a good idea to wear masks regardless of healthiness ;D


bye
Ron

Like this?  :D

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The masks help out a lot --- saw a lot of attractive woman (at least their eyes) but as soon as they went of their mask ... you saw the faces of too much sun studios, nicotin or puberty (acne).

true , i concede...  :))

That girl is what we call a "Seven pints, would you?" question down here in Middlesex.

I'll give it some consideration ;-)

The song for after 8pm in Victoria....

https://youtu.be/XEjLoHdbVeE

https://youtu.be/g2yNR4xa4Kw

A history of our world since 2015, including coronavirus - a metaphor....look around you...and observe for yourself.

Uhm... I think I need an explanation regarding the video content ...


bye
Ron

Descent into increasing chaos.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/sydney-catholic-archbishop-warns-pm-against-coronavirus-vaccine/12588578

Basically what has come to light is that the Oxford vaccine uses human foetal tissue to develop the vaccine.

The politicians argue the ethical considerations are historical and understood a long time ago because this method used in other vaccines commonly.

However - it was probably not public knowledge until now.

Think for a moment though on what this practice actually involves:

A baby foetus which looks like a very tiny person is aborted by choice and then researchers dissect the foetus to extract cells from internal organs in order to manufacture a vaccine for x number of doses.

In other words for a steady supply of vaccine a number of foetuses must always be available to harvest cells from.

Also think of the desensitization of the medical professionals to this process as they dispassionately cut up the foetus for resources over and over again.

The ethics may be settled in politicians minds but I doubt the public would be so happy to hear about it.

I am not for or against voluntary abortions - it's complex - but having a bank of foetuses from which to harvest cells to manufacture medical compounds seems diabolical to me.

From Matt.

From a book I own from 2009...

Quote:"In severe cases, free to air channels may be infected by CNN live feeds for up to 24 hours."

Quote 2:"If you believe you have contracted a pandemic beat-up, remain at home and isolate yourself as much as possible."

Neat huh...

The most wonderful thing about lockdown is I am free to write computer games and even while unemployed no one nor myself can argue I'm wasting my time nor would be better stressed out looking for work because:

A) There's nothing else to do when every normally meaningful activity is cancelled

B) There are no actual jobs anyway for me

C)All social activity which I'd love to pursue is locked away

All of which means I can code games to my heart's content with no valid reason not to.

Heck I can even code from midnight to dawn and sleep in the afternoon if I choose......

I still work a normal 36 hour week. Probably stretched a little bit as I'm less regimental about my 8am - 4pm schedule but the time at my desk usually remains about the same. What about everyone else? Other people off work completely or also working from home? Are you managing, or in dire financial shit?

When this lockdown business first happened, I thought I'd probably have taken 80% wages for a few months and enjoyed some serious time off like Matty has, but I'm not so sure now. As tempting as it sounds to be in front of the computer writing games or playing them for weeks on end, I think it's probably quite detrimental to some peoples sanity.

Quote from: Xerra on September 24, 2020, 18:47:48
I still work a normal 36 hour week. Probably stretched a little bit as I'm less regimental about my 8am - 4pm schedule but the time at my desk usually remains about the same. What about everyone else? Other people off work completely or also working from home? Are you managing, or in dire financial shit?

When this lockdown business first happened, I thought I'd probably have taken 80% wages for a few months and enjoyed some serious time off like Matty has, but I'm not so sure now. As tempting as it sounds to be in front of the computer writing games or playing them for weeks on end, I think it's probably quite detrimental to some peoples sanity.

Since March 25th I am working from home at least till the end of october. And I work more during the 8-9 hrs. I would like to go back into the office, but so far my company wants to play it save. Understandable. I get payed the same, have the same work to do, so the only change is working from home.

I changed jobs in April, and have been doing 40 hours or more each week, working from home and occasionally on site. Which is a 200 mile commute.... Digs etc.

Quote.     so sure now. As tempting as it sounds to be in front of the computer writing games or playing them for weeks on end, I think it's probably quite detrimental to some peoples sanity.
Report to       

Yeah, I'd advocate some volunteer work on occasion, maybe at the British Heart Foundation or similar.....

Whilst it's great to code and produce stuff, it's also good to get out and even just have a walk.  :D

Quote from: GfK on September 25, 2020, 09:51:34
Of course, none of this would be happening (again) if people were using their heads.

I had to go in Iceland (the shop, not the country) for food the other day.  So many people not wearing face coverings.  And you can't tell me they're all exempt, not that I think anybody should be as they aren't that bad anyway.  None of them were being challenged by shop staff, and even if they were, all they'd likely get is a mouthful of abuse.

Bottom line - if you don't want to wear a face covering and/or have no respect for the health of others, stay at home.  Boris Johnson should make it law that anyone not wearing a face covering gets fucking chinned.  >:(

Totally agree, its not much of a chore to stick one on. Too many people not giving a fuck! Only seen a few instances of no masks here in Glasgow but I'm right next to the Uni which is worrying.   :(

here in sidmouth(south uk) there are a lot of people not wearing face coverings. I work in a coffee shop/restaurant and as of yesterday we have started telling people to leave if they wont do track and trace or wear a face covering

Quote. hould make it law that anyone not wearing a face covering gets fucking chinned.  >:(     

Ditto. Do not blame shop workers for not challenging f*** that don't wear masks, inconsiderate knobs are the lowest of the low.

Quote from: 3DzForMe on September 25, 2020, 09:14:00
Whilst it's great to code and produce stuff, it's also good to get out and even just have a walk.  :D

Totally agree. I live on Harrow on the hill, which is about the only reasonably nice part of the whole borough now, so going for a walk around the famous school and some of the fields/back roads is almost compulsory for me at least twice a week at lunch times.

Jealous of Gindalf living in Sidmouth, though. When I was a kid, and growing up in a single parent family, we had state subsided holidays to give mum a rest. Me and my sisters used to get shunted up to Devon for two weeks for a few years in the late 70's. I loved places like Sidmouth, Paignton and Teignmouth as all the kids were carted to the seaside every day. No flipping consoles keeping us in front of the telly back then. We had amusement arcades and bumper cars on the pier. Awesome days.

@Xerra Yes its lovely here but its been so busy what with people not being able to go abroad easily for holidays and probably trying to make the most of their free time before another lockdown its been so busy that its actually hard to walk down the street(and nobody wearing masks) so unless its for work I just don't go out until after dark but hopefully with the colder weather will come a little peace and quiet

Here in Singapore when you're out of your home its compulsory to wear a face covering (usually a mask) at all times, except when actually eating and drinking in a restaurant, or maybe exercising. Same for public transport, no mask then you don't get on, simple. Track and trace works flawlessly... you'll get notified, tested and quarantined if you were in an area where an infected person has been. You cant go in anywhere without having to 'check in and out'. It takes just a few seconds along with temperature screening.

The government here are employing people who are not working due to the virus (Bar and club staff, airline staff plus others) as 'social distancing ambassadors'. They move around the country reminding people to wear a mask and help disperse crowds. They are well respected for the job they're doing. They also have the power to dish out fines if you refuse to wear a mask or are a jerk to others about it. They are nice people and aren't power hungry and would prefer to just remind you to put on your mask.

The government here also give out FREE washable masks on a regular basis so there's no excuse not to wear one.

We are now down to very low numbers of daily infection, zero in the community for 5 days now, average of 0.5 a day for the week before (in the quarantined areas there's less than 20 a day and that figure is dropping too), but the government are under no illusion that they/we have beaten back the virus and that it all go very wrong without a moments notice.

I feel very safe here and have no worries at all about the virus here. However I am very worried about my friends and family there in the UK. The government there and not the only one... just look at the state of USA) are showing that they really dont know how to, or give a fuck, about it's peoples well being in true times of need, help and direction.

@col thats all very well and good until people from outside your country start bringing it back in again.
all the countries need to be following strict measures like this so we can all beat the virus together rather than just keep passing it around like a hot potato

Totally agree.

It's the same within the countries too. Everyone should pull together and do the same thing to help protect each other. In the more so called 'free' countries you have the 'human rights' brigade and the 'you hurt my feelings' brigade spouting tons of bullshit in order to satisfy their need for attention, which for some unqauntifiable reason, great swaths of people would sooner believe and follow them compared with going with common sense. It only takes 1 person to not wear a mask for the effort become ineffective. Scaling it up and I agree that it takes just 1 country have infections and the whole globe is at risk.

Quotethats all very well and good until people from outside your country start bringing it back in again

Agreed.
People aren't allowed in here unless you have a damn good reason to come in, and it's to the authorities here to decide if that reason is good enough. 14 day quarantine without any physical contact with anyone is what you can look forward to if you are allowed in. You're not treated like a criminal though, quite the opposite. You'll get a free hotel to stay in, free food, phone calls to make sure that your health is ok, if you need any supplies etc. It gets left outside of your room door.

You also have to have a very good reason to go out of the country too and then come back. Going for vacation is definitely not one of them, and your travel has to be permitted before you go. Fines await you, paying for own hotel and expenses, covid tests and a possible redaction of your visa, if you ignore them. They mean business too. Plenty of places have closed and people kicked out for taking liberties.

Like most other countries, the government locked down and dished out billions for businesses to stay afloat. They also say 'if you can work from home then you must do so'. The companies that were trying that crap of trying to force employees back to office got huge fines and action taken.

If only other countries governments did something remotely similar and stopped the 'piss takers' then the world might be further along in trying to get out this rotten situation.

I have to agree with every word of that. I've never understood why "new" safety measures always take effect 'from <insert random day in the future here>' instead of immediately. Some say it's to allow people/businesses to prepare - but surely by now they've had more than enough time to do that?

"Unmasked anti-lockdown crowds descend on central London"...That says it all.  Morons.

Yes some are, but the Government have also been a bunch of useless bastards.  They saw the virus coming and did nothing.  They simply wanted lots to die in the name of herd immunity!

Quote from: Steve Elliott on September 26, 2020, 19:51:44
Yes some are, but the Government have also been a bunch of useless bastards.  They saw the virus coming and did nothing.  They simply wanted lots to die in the name of herd immunity!

I agree with this. It's a bit hypocritical on my part because I can't really say what I would do if I were in charge and could make the decisions.

However, that floppy-haired buffoon in charge is probably the biggest imbecile I think I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen too. He has all the advisors available to him yet still seems to be making complete dipshit decisions without even thinking of the ramifications and also seems to be more interested in keeping power and wealth for him and his buddies than actually solving this crisis. His strategy when all this started actually did seem to be the herd mentality where we should all just band together and develop immunity from exposure. Let's just let the old people and the seriously ill die of it - they don't pay taxes anyway.

Honestly, I said to the missus a couple of years ago, before he became PM, that his strategy for attempting to get public favour is to watch large groups of people shouting for any kind of issue and then running in front of them shouting that he believes in what they're saying and they should follow him.

How can you make a decision that everyone needs to wear face masks in and out of shops yet not put in place some kind of enforcement for it. People just ignore it and, as much as I hate to say it, there's also a huge element of people not wanting to say anything for fear of human rights being screamed at them, or religious reasons being spouted as excuses.

I was sitting on a bus a couple of weeks back and a woman took off her mask in the seat right behind me. I asked her to put it back on and she proceeded to tell me that she was wearing it as she got on but doesn't need to any more. She actually believed this !!!

As a species, humans are fucking idiots. Probably why we've been put so far away from any other intelligent species in the universe. We'd have been wiped out otherwise.

Well said.

Quote from: GfK on September 27, 2020, 10:36:11
We're not gonna make it, are we?  People I mean.

It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.

Oooh quoting my favorite movie there

Quote from: Steve Elliott on September 26, 2020, 19:51:44
Yes some are, but the Government have also been a bunch of useless bastards.  They saw the virus coming and did nothing.  They simply wanted lots to die in the name of herd immunity!

I don't ascribe to the idea that the Government 'wanted lots to die in the name of herd immunity!'.

I think what has happened is that this is a crisis that cuts right across decades of neo-liberal thinking. For a long time now the message has been that government is the problem and the free market is best. Governments are saturated with this thinking - even supposedly left leaning political parties. As a result, government run services such as healthcare are always under threat, underfunded and privatized by stealth.

Then along comes a pandemic and what happens?

The public turns to the government en-masse and expects it to act effectively, even though lobbyists have been working for decades to reduce the role of government to just maintaining the status quo for business interests - the financial sector in particular. As such many (western) governments couldn't even acknowledge the danger until it became impossible to ignore. It was a case of cognitive dissonance, which is still going on.

(On an individual level, notice Boris's somewhat amazed reaction to the public healthcare he received that was effective in (probably) saving his life. It seems he can't quite believe it).

Medical supplies that should have been stockpiled, weren't. Why? Because it's not profitable in the free market to do so. And there was an expectation that the market would be able to provide should such a need arise.

But much of the world's manufacturing had been offloaded to China because of the lure of cheap labor. It's also where the virus originated (and SARS and Asian Swine Flu and even possibly the 1917 flu epidemic), and pretty much overnight, Chinese production shut down. Even here in New Zealand we had reports of Chinese buying up all the medical supplies they could and shipping them back to China.

So bingo, western governments froze and there was a lack of medical supplies and now the virus is deeply embedded in first world populations.

Complete stuff-up of the first order, but I think there's a complex web of political, medical and ideological factors that have been at play here.

Wow,

this thread is still getting hits. how many months has it been now,  4, 6 or higher.  I actually beleived in the pandemic, but I didn't know it would be this big.

well... not to put a downer on things.  :(
the previous pandemic (1918) lasted for 2.5 years with 3 distinct waves. and the trajectory is sorta keeping in line with it. which means we are just at the start of the second one!

I'd say I'm doing pretty well despite these stats:

Although the lockdown has only been a few months it is now 808 days since I've had more than a single visit to my home by a friend.

It is also 73 days since I have had a face to face conversation with anyone that goes more than 30 seconds, not counting 3am chats with petrol station attendants.

Not bad huh?

I've been thinking, atheists should find a way to have people congregate and chat, just like it happens in churches. Maybe have some singing too. 

A friend of mine, and I'm sure many of yours, had met his wife while at a church. I think religion still plays a big part in socialization, which is unfortunate -- "so you're not religious? Well, good luck trying to find a group of people that happens to have lots of single women the same age as yours!"

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Quote from: Kryzon on October 17, 2020, 06:53:10
A friend of mine, and I'm sure many of yours, had met his wife while at a church. I think religion still plays a big part in socialization, which is unfortunate -- "so you're not religious? Well, good luck trying to find a group of people that happens to have lots of single women the same age as yours!"

Poppycock. You don't need to be religious and a regular attendee at a church to have a better chance at meeting a partner. There's pubs, clubs - for the younger generation, introductions from friends, and probably the most common scenario, work colleagues.

Singing in a church is not the best idea during these covid19 times ... spreading etc.

Also religion prohibits what younger people ... want to do - so there might be better locations for them.
If you are 30+ and male then chances are high you wont find many women there .... who are not married or ... uncoupled for certain reasons (visual, social, psychological,...). Same can surely be said about men there - but you know, there are more women growing children alone than men.


@ Matty
There is no reason to stop talking to people - except they or you are ill. If you feel unsure, wear a mask and stay a bit distant from the other one - then you can talk. You could also meet in your garden etc.
We've met our friends and families as usual the last months - except when we had "lockdown", then we tried to meet "as few as possible" - except when it was allowed to meet "outside" etc.

Avoiding any social contact is ...not productive for your not too stable mental health.


bye
Ron

Quote from: Xerra on October 17, 2020, 10:28:21There's pubs, clubs - for the younger generation

Sure, and house parties too. But people that frequent churches have yet that extra moment to meet others. I think I'm only complaining about this because I'm already antisocial enough that any opportunity you can get to meet others is valuable...

Quoteand probably the most common scenario, work colleagues.

My older sister met her husband this way, so you're right on the money.

@Derron based on some girls that I knew (just friends) during teenage years, they only went to church because their parents forced them. 
One of those girls in particular seemed kinda liberal actually (as in pre-marital-sex kind of liberal, she said she had a boyfriend and he had been "her first"). The strictness of the church crowd that I've met seems to vary a lot person by person, and that's kind of confusing. In some cases they go because they're forced to, so they're not that bound by the rules as you'd think.

you guys are really paranoid, this virus is not more dangerous than the previous similar ones (ok maybe a little bit more), the only difference is that governments have decided to talk about it and to test surveillance / control measures on the population, and the parots sheeps repeat and follow...

in april (nobody had masks !) i have already done the calculations to compare the number of deaths compared to previous years.
let me show you the numbers for France (supposedly one of the worse countries for the management of this "pandemic") :
deaths per year (2018) : 614 000
deaths due to respiratory problems : 48 506
deaths due to influenza virus : 9 120
deaths due to infectious diseases : 28 858
deaths due to cardiovascular problems :  159 640
(these are the people who are more likely to suffer greatly from this virus)
so in total 246 124 deaths could be counted as dead due to the cov2 virus while they would have died anyway due to others "weakening diseases"

and i am not counting others cancer patients who have their immune system suppressed because of chemotherapy...

deaths due to this virus (what the government claims) : 34 645 (25/10/20)

this virus is apparently circulating in europe since november 2019, so there is only 2 months remaining to have many more deaths to reach "normal" number of deaths... (in France)

apparently this cov2 virus has a size of approximately 114nm
1nm2 = 0.000001mm2
so in 1mm2 there would be 76 946 752 viruses, so please don't cough, don't talk, don't laugh, don't breath :))

this puts things in perpective...

btw we (people in France) went to the beaches, city streets, shops, bars, in june, july, august, september, and nothing dramatic happened... most people were not wearing masks (except in shops)

and in january, february, march, april, may, nobody weared (i don't like "wore") a mask either...

personally i am not afraid about the tiny virus but about the government anti freedom measures !

take a slow deep breath (good for your respiratory capacity) and stay skeptic about the medias / governments !

(i forsee the insults and hate comments coming... :-*)

Quote from: RemiD on October 25, 2020, 12:34:22
you guys are really paranoid, this virus is not more dangerous than the previous similar ones (ok maybe a little bit more), the only difference is that governments have decided to talk about it and to test surveillance / control measures on the population, and the parots sheeps repeat and follow...

(i forsee the insults and hate comments coming... :-*)

No tin foil hat :

I wouldn't say the worry is that more people die from other things or even say it's a test about population control and mass DNA gathering but rather...

1.. It's a new virus that they don't know much about.

2.. It spreads rapidly and ( see point 1 )

3.. The short / long term effects are unknown and ( see point 2 )

4.. There is no vaccine so if the population is to continue as normal then no one knows what the real outcome would be if millions became infected. Would it fizzle out? would it mutate to something stronger due to mass infection?

5.. As it's all unknown at the moment I would say that's why these measures are in place.


On the tin foil hat required side you could say :

1.. National lock down didn't work, so why try again? - Because regional lockdowns give a much better understanding of localised compliance and where more resources will be needed when full control is enforced.

2.. Do facemarks work? - No they don't (https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html) as why are cases rocketing again when most are wearing them? - Reason is to give false confidence to at least keep the economy flowing and also gauge general compliance before tracking implants are introduced ( to help the spread of course ).

3.. Government said children are not likely to spread the virus. Strange as just like face masks, cases rocketed after schools were reopened. Are children super spreaders?

4.. Why are all the safety measures being side lined to rush out a vaccine? - Could the vaccine increase fatalities when used with a mutated version of Covid to cause a much needed mass population cull ( Agenda 21 )?

5.. True fact that governments have done experiments on the general population before (https://www.readersdigest.com.au/true-stories-lifestyle/12-crazy-conspiracy-theories-actually-turned-out-be-true) so is it unrealistic to assume they may do it again?


I think on both sides there are some valid questions to be asked and answered. Just blindly accepting everything we're told and asked to do is as dangerous as any virus.

Which ever side you're on the fact remains that Covid does kill both young and old and not just ones with underlying health conditions. I for one are happy to take the precautions rather than go looking for it. Take the vaccine? not a chance for at least 5 years.

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hen no one knows what the real outcome would be if millions became infected.

already happened, happening...



another thing to ponder :
why do you think that the people who are the most affected by this virus are in "rich" countries ? answer : because many people were already chronicaly sick and dying each year of others "diseases" (caused mostly by "foods", air pollution, lack of movement)...
now how can you be sure that a person died from the inflamation caused by a virus or by a weakened state due to others chronic diseases ? you can't...

so instead of destroying the economy and restraining freedoms, maybe it is time that people stop considering their bodies as trashes ?
but even if most people would do that (they won't), the real problem are the governments excess of power and lack of direct democraty...

aslo, as i already mentioned, at least 1 treatment exists (maybe 3) to decrease the load of "harmful" viruses in the plasma (blood), why is it not used ?

this reminds me of anti terrorists measures that we have been seing for the past 19 years... for our safety, of course  ::)

Maybe people fear the outcome of Covid. someone I work with had Covid 6 months ago and she still can't taste anything and she is a young(mid twenties) healthy person, she is worried that she will never taste food again. I'm sure I will survive covid if I catch it but I enjoy eating and want to continue enjoying food(and who knows what other weird side effects there are)

Quotebtw we (people in France) went to the beaches, city streets, shops, bars, in june, july, august, september, and nothing dramatic happened... most people were not wearing masks (except in shops)

Except cases have surged and as of just today, there's been 36,437 new cases and 244 new deaths in France.
Indeed the French government has announced new lockdown measures to try and flatten this surge.

(https://static3.stuff.co.nz/con3-5c020722.png)

It's astonishing to me how, even in this late stage, people can still be in denial.

@MJ, well said.

to resurrect an old post:

QuoteWhile I'm going on about this, I'd like to thank anyone who's reading who is working in the NHS, or any kind of medical area in any country. You guys are salt of  the earth and I really hope you get the appreciation you all deserve once this finally blows over and everyone can see how hard you tried to get us all through this. 

I second that - and would like to re-iterate the thanks to the people working in the health services around the world.  I'd also like to state a vote of thanks for the supermarket workers (of which my son is one - nigh on full-time around doing a full time college course) - The nonesense that supermarket workers have to put up with on occasion is blood boiling - thats peeps for you though!

For moi, I changed jobs in April just when it was all kicking in. This last weeks been a funny old one - 6 hours working from home monday before a 200 mile drive to go onsite.  3.5 hours into my day onsite, my wife informed me my daughter needed to get a COVID test, she had been unwell, but her condition had detoeriated.... so I needed to self isolate. Cue a 200 mile drive back home again 3 days early to work from home @ 0800 Wednesday. Funny old week - and somewhat exhausting.

I really empathise with the people that are trying to make ends meet - for example security managers at airports that were furloughed.... then sacked. Starting up comic book shops and employing their colleagues. Kids going to Uni and having to self isolate.  Its very trying times - look out for for those close to you, Be safe everyone.

Quote from: Qube on October 26, 2020, 00:42:21
Do facemarks work? - No they don't (https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html) as why are cases rocketing again when most are wearing them?

no they don't work because people are F**KING idiots. I work in a coffee shop/restaurant and I see some idiots like for instance
a woman a couple of days ago pulled her face mask down in order to cough.
and one woman yesterday when it was time to pay pulled down her face mask, licked her fingers to rummage through her notes and handed me a 20 pound note with her saliva on it. some people refuse to wear them and we have to kick them out, most people have their nose sticking out, everybody touches and fiddles with their mask(contaminating their hands) and then go and touch everything in sight and then fiddle with their masks again without using any sanitizer.
So no face masks don't work, not because facemasks are useless but because people are to stupid to use them correctly

Well said.

Yeah, well said.

There are probably variety of information out there about face masks, but I find this video has some effort put into it to find the essential bits..




-Henri

QuoteExcept cases have surged and as of just today, there's been 36,437 new cases and 244 new deaths in France.

it is impossible to know if a person who has others chronic diseases / weaknesses has died because of this virus or because of these others chronic diseases / weaknesses. (614 000 deaths each year in France most of them because of chronic diseases / weaknesses)

even if there are 61 400 deaths (10% of total "normal" deaths per year) interpreted as caused by this virus, i bet that this will not add a lot more deaths per year. but we can't say for now.

however, what we can see is : the death rate has not changed much for 8-11 months (0.05%) and the consequences of this lockdown restrictions will most likely cause a lot of misery and probably diseases / deaths...

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most people have their nose sticking out, everybody touches and fiddles with their mask (contaminating their hands) and then go and touch everything in sight and then fiddle with their masks again without using any sanitizer.

i have noticed that too.

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So no face masks don't work, not because facemasks are useless but because people are to stupid to use them correctly

even if everybody would use the masks correcty, there is air (and tiny particles of breath and viruses) going out at the sides, at the top, at the bottom.
and considering that there can be around 74 000 000 viruses per 1mm2, well good luck with your illusionary protection.


too weak / too sick people will die, now or later, like each year really, look at the number of deaths per year in your country, why is it necessary to save every too sick too old people this year ?

harsh but true.



i share with you a benevolent advice, do what you want with it : search for list of foods which are considered "glue" (hint : gluten / dairy products / starshy bulbs roots) or "inflaming" (hint : fried / grilled foods) and greatly reduce your consumption. if you have a bad reaction with this virus and your body is full of glue and inflamed, guess what will happen...
if you need to spit mucus or sneeze muscus often, this is a clue that you are ingesting something bad... (ok not the only cause but chronicaly yes, i don't anymore my mucus is clear and i breath easily always)

Quotewhy is it necessary to save every too sick too old people this year ?

So brave of you to boldly offer other people's lives as a sacrifice. So inspiring.  ::)

almost the end of the year and nothing dramatic hapened (significant in number of deaths and profiles of deads, compared to previous years)... ::)

but our freedoms have greatly decreased... :-X

Quote from: RemiD on November 28, 2020, 21:42:24
almost the end of the year and nothing dramatic hapened (significant in number of deaths and profiles of deads, compared to previous years)... ::)

but our freedoms have greatly decreased... :-X

Maybe the amount of deaths not being significantly bigger is because of the restrictions to our freedoms. Imagine the death toll if idiots had been allowed to roam freely and infect everybody around them

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why is it necessary to save every too sick too old people this year ?

So brave of you to boldly offer other people's lives as a sacrifice. So inspiring.  ::)

Wow, what a prick!  I agree with Jack.

Good idea, added to my ignore list too.

i state facts and i get emotional reactions, very original... ::)

Next time there's a lockdown, or if you are in one, the authorities should provide required training material to those about to enter such as:

Link:

http://m.nautil.us/issue/32/space/how-to-survive-solitary-confinement

Its been a shitter of a year for many!

I think we can safely say if 2020 hasn't affected you, then really, saying "It'll be fine" is easy... In April, I lost an uncle who I moved in with when I was divorced from the ex, on Easter Sunday of all days, he's was up and down for a while, had COPD and it got exponentially worse from just before Christmas to March (Which was when he was put in a home), sometimes I was in A&E twice a week as it came to the point he was having progressive fits, he wouldn't go in a home, span loads of yarns, but finally, the social services took that decision away from him... And as such, everyone got the blame, saying we wanted him out the way... Which was hard because I tried so hard to keep the grumpty bugger at home. Then the first lockdown came, and like I said, he passed away on Easter Sunday, on his own in there, which again, the family were gutted because we never really got to say goodbye.

I worked lockdown, all the way though, in the Nissan plant, and, it was a nightmare, when they shut the plant down, things started cooling, things started to relax, like seals on pipework and stuff, and from, say a week all the way back through when they were bringing people back from furlough, I never stopped, and we still had all the normal servicing to do on the fire systems in there as well. The place was completely dead, at anyone time, there was only 9 of us in the whole plant... It was like I Am Legend in there, worse then being quarantined if you ask me... I could go all through my weekly shifts and literally see noone!

One of the guards, an Iragi fella, lovely bloke, Jarrah, his wife had Covid, ended up in hospital, bad as well, he had to stay off for a week self-isolating, but came back because he couldnt go and see her, she was touch and go at one point, he even got a phone call to say be prepared, he was a mess. They quite literally had to slit her throat to get a tube in to hook her up to a ventilator, really nasty, thankfully she pulled around... But walking into the North gate security hut one day and he was crying... You just dont know what to say! Really hit home how shit it is.

And there's more... During lock down, our team was split into 2 in case one half caught it and needed to self isolate, another would take over as cover, so, we were told our shift pattern would be 3 on, 4 off, 4 on, 3 off [days], rinse repeat till lockdown was pretty much over... Very nice you'd think, getting them extra days, but like I said, I'd walk in on a morning and literally not stop till the moment I left. Now, pre-lockdown, we were given a long weekend, as we mostly work weekend (My normal days off are mon/tues), so, once a month we'd have a sat/sun/mon off, with the monday being a days holiday (extra on the 25 or whatever it is you get statuary), so, lockdown was finished, everything was back to "normal", so I wanted my long weekend off in September, just to have a bit of a drink, see people, let my hair down a little... So I asked the gaffer if there was any big jobs on on any of the weekends so I could have my long weekend, work around it... And he turned around and said the long weekends had been knocked on the head... I was like "Eh?", and the reason... Apparently, we never accrued enough days over lockdown to warrant them... I was speechless, for one, it was a bloody awful time, and two... It was news to me, never been consulted (As its in my contract) and it was a kick in the balls because lockdown... Was shit, so that was a great thank you right there... I had to walk out of the office, 9/10 I would of kicked off, probably got sacked, but I kept my cool... But it was that moment really where I decided that I need weekends off, I'm just festering away, and needed to do something about it... I dont need actually!

So, I finish Nissan on the 20 December, I've had enough, weekends I need, there's little political things going on with the team as well, and, I've had enough of that bollocks too, I'm heading back to the sites in the new year... Self employed, I've worked out I only need to work 3 days a week if I want, I'll have stuff covered (Yep, by my surprise, my uncle left me the house so no mortgage or rent), it's been a pig of a year, so like I said in the shout box, I'll be flipping 2020 the finger, going to bed, no attempt to see the new year in, wake up and start all over again in 2021... See how it goes... Will probably be shite again... But I'll try! :D

Best of luck to you Dabz. That thing where management pulled your long weekend after you showed massive flexibility over lockdown was BS.

It was a complete kick in the jaw Madjack matey, though, they did me a favour, I've been whinging about not being able to do nowt for ages now, that long weekend was the only outlet really, and to just pull it spurred me on to sort my shite out... I give them 6 weeks notice so they could get someone, he starts tomorrow actually, which leaves me 3 weeks to train him up on the basics of what we do in the plant, get his head around it, because to be honest, there's that much we do, that many systems and the scale of the place, my head was a melon for the first 3 months I was there.

I didnt want to burn any bridges regardless, I do have further plans, and I might need them, but going back on the sites for the time being will allow me to just leave, though I will be looking at staying in fire stuff, just got to organise it all, but, at the minute, it's impossible with this Covid thing because nearly everyone and everything is on hold, and I reckon it'll be like that to the spring.

Beauty was, when I handed my notice in they were straight away "Well what if we give you weekends?"... Basically locking the stable door when the horse had buggered off, I was like "Nor, I'm a stubborn shit, my mind is made", Graham, the Nissan fire engineer at the plant who is technically our boss there had me in, wanting to know what what was going on and what would keep me, I was like "Nothing, I'm going", he said would I not compromise, and I was like "There's nothing to compromise Graham, nothing to barter, not a single carrot to follow... I'm done!"

And this is the worst part of the whole thing... See, Nissan pay in the budget them days we should get off as long weekends, its all agreed... It costs the firm nothing... So when I told him they were knocked on the head, he never had a clue because we should of had them anyway, so you could imagine his surprise too... Basically, they are banking them days for themselves... So really, ultimately, they lost me because of greeding one days pay a month! :/

Which was bloody annoying to learn, but like I said, I need to hold my tongue because once I get sorted on where I'm heading, I might need them to get work in the plant as I am going to have a word with Graham before I leave, and as such, if I do get work in there, I might have to go through them!

So, yeah, all go me auld fruit... But aye... Probably the only man in the UK to hand his notice in in the middle of a global pandemic! :D

Lol, well lets face it, they are all struggling a bit, with this Covid thing, the only thing I can tell is that Macron has better hair then everyone else still, I'm sure that quiff is resin'd on mind! ;)

Dabz

No.  Boris Johnson said initially that we should "take it all in one hit, so to speak".  In other words millions would have died.  Then he was told that herd immunity wouldn't work, and millions would have died...So he had to actually do some work. He wasn't up to that, the lazy, fridge hiding entitled prick.

Quote from: GfK on December 01, 2020, 12:22:35
Wish Boris Johnson would! ;D

THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..THIS..

Quote from: Steve Elliott on December 01, 2020, 21:10:25
we should "take it all in one hit, so to speak".  In other words millions would have died.  Then he was told that herd immunity wouldn't work, and millions would have died...

that's how governments influence / control people, with lies, exaggerations, which trigger emotions (like fear and doubt) in the weak minds, so that the facts, reasonable critics, warnings, are disregarded and not considered...

millions of people die each year with the exact same profile... ::)
the mortality rate has not moved much in 11 months...
time to wake up ?

Why does every conspiracy theorist end their posts/articles/tweets/emails etc with "time to wake up ?"?

Quote from: Amon. on December 02, 2020, 11:53:34
Why does every conspiracy theorist end their posts/articles/tweets/emails etc with "time to wake up ?"?

They try to remind theirselves to wake up ... from their delirious dreams. Has the taste of Trump style.


bye
Ron

Quote from: Derron on December 02, 2020, 12:10:32

Quote from: Amon. on December 02, 2020, 11:53:34
Why does every conspiracy theorist end their posts/articles/tweets/emails etc with "time to wake up ?"?

They try to remind theirselves to wake up ... from their delirious dreams. Has the taste of Trump style.


bye
Ron

That about sums it up.

There is of course a lot of conspiracy surrounding the vaccine but personally I won't be rushing out to get it for the simple fact that no one knows what the long term effects may be. Personal choice but not based on any conspiracy.

so far, all i have done is to state facts, and your answers were either emotional or insulting. i am going to stay in the, don't trust but verify, be open but skeptic, side...

Quoteall i have done is to state facts

That's what every conspiracy theorist thinks; To have knowledge of facts that others are blind to and that special me feeling of thinking you are somehow awake and others not.

I'm standing behind you by the way.

Greetings.

You've got to admit that the picture or image we as the public are presented by the media of the likes of China, Trump, Boris Johnson and much of the world - even our own media reporting of coronavirus is a caricature at best.

It's almost laughably cartoonish albeit tinged with a more dystopian edge to it.

Kryzon,  what an interesting plot for Dr. Who.  Remember the episode GridLock if I remember correctly.

You'd think shares in this company would be doing well if it hadn't been closed down 10 years ago ..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_Studios

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gIUNxnbix8

oups :-X

::)

Quote from: RemiD on July 27, 2023, 10:35:31https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gIUNxnbix8

oups :-X

::)

..no surprise really, at least for me, as it was beyond obvious that its monumental scam, if it can be called that way since its something far sinister..

Quote from: Naughty Alien on July 27, 2023, 10:56:38

Quote from: RemiD on July 27, 2023, 10:35:31https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gIUNxnbix8

oups :-X

::)

..no surprise really, at least for me, as it was beyond obvious that its monumental scam, if it can be called that way since its something far sinister..

It is a monumental scam and I knew that from the beginning. D. Martin is doing good work here but even he has it mostly wrong. The corona virus only exists on paper or inside a computermodel. It was all fake and a PSYOP to rig worldwide elections. They lied through statistics using the "flu" numbers. Next scam will probably be an alien invasion or climate change. Just sitback and enjoy the show.

intriguing :

'Evidence for a connection between coronavirus disease-19 and exposure to radiofrequency radiation from wireless communications including 5G'
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8580522/

(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8580522/bin/jclintranslres-2021-7-5-666-g001.jpg)

personally i don't consider that the 'pandemic' was signicative if we compare to the numbers of deaths for similar problems (respiratory / cardiovascular / immune deficiency ) during the previous years...

but maybe, people who already had health problems, have not be helped by more exposure to 5g ( shorter waves with more intensity ).

however we can't say that radio or wifi / 4g has made us significantly sicker during the past decades. there are many others causes of diseases, like junk foods, alcohool, tobacco smokes, exhaust gazes, heater leaks / smokes, lack of movement, lack of sleep, ...

in any case, it could be a good idea to desactivate your smartphone during then night / when you sleep, and not sleep near an active antenna !

..all i know that 7 dudes out of 13 here(South East Asia) that i know in person, who took jab, are busted for good, healthy strong men prior to jab..all heart failure..me been me, cost me many friendships lost because i refused to take jab, as dumb as it sounds to lose a 'friend' over that..some did contacted me in past year, with comment, 'maybe you were right'..no words..

indeed, there are several ways to interpret what happened.

this covid episode has revealed the true personalities of people...
i have also lost some friends (not dead) and made new friends.

something weird that i have noticed in my country, was that in 2020 and 2021 the doctors were almost forbidden to treat with known molecules which may have helped (the sarscov is not a new virus, it was already studied in 2003-2004), and also the nutrients deficiencies which were observed in people who had severe symptoms were not considered by the 'autority of health', and only a 'vaccine' (made in a foreign country by a foreign company) was the solution... ::)

and used this reason to implement the PCR tests + 'sanitary pass', and then a 'vaccine pass' to allow / forbid the access to some places / services...

and surprisingly (not!) after this 'pandemic', the EU is talking about implementing a digital identity and a central bank digital currency.

this has nothing to do with money, surveillance and control.

it was all by coincidence... ::)

..for me is still unbelievable how people could accept situation where so called 'doctors' doesn't have a clue what is content of jab, telling patient to sign a document which basically says, whatever happen after you take jab, its your fault, and at same time telling them that they MUST take it or else..and they went for it..

At same time, ask very same people who were okay with this conditioning, will they ever purchase something as irrelevant as external hard drive, without any warranty whatsoever, and they all goes ballistic on that, yet, their own life, only body they have, is not subject of any critical thought or concern..

just cant fix stupid..

Quotewill they ever purchase something as irrelevant as external hard drive, without any warranty whatsoever, and they all goes ballistic on that, yet, their own life, only body they have, is not subject of any critical thought or concern..

i have noticed the same thing around me, people obsessed with their computer / smartphone / car / furnitures, but not with the state / health of their bodies. 
 ???

but our bodies are our most important homes to stay alive and functional...

Nice to see some common sense here. I feel I am living in an open mental institution these days ;)

i don't think we can rely on 'common sense' during a mass hysteria / psychosis.  :))


anyway, here is an interesting alternative to 'vaccines' :
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=106157

used in hospitals between 1931 and 1939. with apparently good results, but nobody is talking about that anymore. why ?

Quote from: RemiD on August 29, 2023, 09:58:28anyway, here is an interesting alternative to 'vaccines' :
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=106157

used in hospitals between 1931 and 1939. with apparently good results, but nobody is talking about that anymore. why ?

Maybe you should think about the difference of "vaccine" and "treatment" ...
The in your link suggested approach was discussed in some more papers - and they all "just" (in the sense of "one task at a time") tried to proof that it could work. Also ignoring potential side effects for now (as their goal is not the treatment, but to identify if it could be used as a treatment at all).

If you do not fear investing some time you might have a look on how complex, expensive (or not) a machine would be which could be used to "cure people". I assume doing this for millions of people worldwide would ... be expensive. It would also take years to create, "test", produce... 
Time many people did not have.


What could and should be discussed is what the world should learn and keep from all the findings the last years produced. Improving medicine / treatments etc.


bye
Ron

if we follow your logic, anti sarscov 'vaccines' have been proved to work well (not!), and without side effects (not!)

the electromagnetic waves therapy, which is discussed in this article, has been studied for many years and used in some hospitals, with success, and then all research experiments stopped. why ?

don't you think that what is allowed as a treatment / therapy is only about what is proven to work or not ?
if you think so, and you don't think there is some corruption and conflicts of interests (for money and surveillance / control), i don't know what to tell you...  ::)


by the way, this therapy used electromagnetic waves and several persons could be treated at the same time.
the only side effects which were observed at the time, was that a session must not exceed 3min in order to not have too many of the targeted organisms die, which then provoked a lot of waste to eliminate from the body, which can temporarily cause inflamation and elimination of mucus, of course...

Quote from: RemiD on August 29, 2023, 13:19:04if we follow your logic, anti sarscov 'vaccines' have been proved to work well (not!), and without side effects (not!)

I did not say that vaccines were tested differently. so do not try to put words into my mouth.

Vaccines often are used to help people not getting infected - or being prepared for infection (so you eg gain time between infection and "final white light").
Treatments are there to cure people or to get rid of infections / lighten them.

Two important things - but not the same.

---

This aside I asked if you have some time regarding researching about costs of such devices. Dunno, maybe they are portable, cheap ... but they might also be big, expensive, not that easy to mass produce (think of millions of people not living near cities with "big hospitals" ... in case of such devices being expensive/big/requiring-xyz this would mean a lot of people would no benefit from it).

As said people should think about all the stuff found out during researching the disease. There are things which might not fight covid - but have other benefits. So as usual: try to make the best out of bad situations. Consider "lost and now found-again-knowledge" etc.
There were a lot "this will be the wonder weapon" things published in the last few years. I assume many of them had disastrous side-effects, did not work at all, or ...
You know ... research happens a lot in the world, each month they invent a new "super battery" or different stuff - and most of them never will be produced for so many reasons (ignoring "battery lobby" now :D).
Research is good - but not all ideas are useful/doable.


bye
Ron

this therapy is not used for one apparent reason :
the AMA ( organised doctors in the USA ), sued and persecuted and sabotaged the material / documents of this guy until he had to give up and flee.

if you think this is exagerated, look at what happened to the doctors who tried to find a treatment to decrease the symptoms of the covid, using known molecules, in 2020 and 2021.


anyway, concerning this therapy, the issue is not the device to deliver the electromagnetic waves (or the electric waves), this is quite simple, the issue is to find the specific frequencies to demage the membranes of specific microbes, without damaging our cells.

however this is apparently not as much a problem as we thought because our cells (in good state) can withdant more intensity than the harmful microbes.

what this guy did was quite amazing and apparently reproduced by a german guy, some years later :
to use a microscope ( and  then a 'nanoscope'), but to use light waves instead of chemicals to identify the living microbes / 'nanobes' (depending on their composing materials i guess), and then to observe the effect of each frequency (with the appropriate intensity) on the target microbes, until their membranes explode.
fascinating tech.

..wisdom of 2020-2023..never trust a lawyer, doctor and politician, instead, scrutinize everything they put in front of you and see which one 'holds water' and which one does not..

Question everything.

If someone stops being your "friend" over the jab or politics in general, they were never a friend.

HOw do I like a post?

(https://imgur.com/wNVRYtR.png)

Thankd Derron.