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Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« on: June 08, 2020, 04:12:51 AM »
Question:
Do you see a day when the only decision a computer chess opponent need make is whether it is going to let the human win, lose or draw even before the first piece is moved?

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2020, 09:21:32 AM »
That day is already here.  Alpha Zero is unbeatable by a human.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2020, 12:10:41 PM »
1997 DeepBlue beat world champion at chess:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov
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Deep Blue's win was seen as symbolically significant, a sign that artificial intelligence was catching up to human intelligence, and could defeat one of humanity's great intellectual champions. Later analysis tended to play down Kasparov's loss as a result of uncharacteristically bad play on Kasparov's part, and play down the intellectual value of chess as a game that can be defeated by brute force.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2020, 12:56:54 PM »
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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2020, 09:33:53 PM »
They had adapted the DeepMind A.I. to play Starcraft 2:

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2020, 10:49:51 PM »
CPU's need to get faster a lot more. Computers are at insects brain speeds now afaik.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2020, 10:56:00 PM »
Chess and Go are the most complex games, yet neural network computers are now far superior.  Look up Alpha Zero and Alpha Go.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2020, 12:02:59 AM »
So....how would you feel if you sat down to play a game and you knew the AI was really either just going to let you ein...if you won....or make you lose....and there was no way of changing this.....without bending the parameters or metagaming it.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2020, 12:19:31 AM »
I would just try to win, no other thoughts would cross my mind.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2020, 12:41:26 AM »
Interesting.  If I knew it was no challenge for the AI I'd muck around with it - it might not realise I too want to lose...

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2020, 12:50:12 AM »
Chess is a beautiful game, a complex game of strategy and tactics, but it is also a battle!  The ultimate goal is to destroy your opponent.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2020, 01:28:51 AM »
Maybe so....but it can also be enjoyable to mess with the opponent's mind...make them think you have some strategy that requires you to lose...perhaps the real battle is elsewhere.....

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2020, 01:30:40 AM »
Or maybe you're playing for a team who you dont to win for personal reasons....

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Re: Artificial Intelligence advances in Chess - the future
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2020, 01:32:04 AM »
Or perhaps you want to see their reaction if your objective of win loss you shift by rolling a dice every few minutes....

 

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