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Online iWasAdam

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More windows 10 ranting
« on: May 10, 2020, 03:36:26 PM »
ok, transfer time:

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mac instant
linux more or less instant
windows 10 - let's, wait a bit. how about discovering <<-- WTF, yeah ok, whatever dude wax your board for you? Copy you say. ok let me think about it - copy one file by one a few seconds each FFS 6 minutes!

the cpu can transfer several gigs around ever few millisecs faster with a SSD - 6 minutes Your having a laugh?

My only conclusion:
What is windows actually doing? Is it really transfering the file, or opening and scanning and checking stuff - WHY? unless it is reporting back what it has found? or maybe it was deliberately programmed to make it look like it's doing something (anything). I'm going for the former cause that sounds like MS shite!

Sorry. it been doing it for 4 minutes still got 6 minutes to go - FFS it can't even count. this is a joke right?

This is why we can't have nice things... Apple/Linux = sure boss whatever you want. Microsoft = FVK YOU DOOD....

<Rant mode over?>


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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2020, 04:11:50 PM »
I'm going to agree with Adams rant here. I bought a stick Windows 10 PC, which i use for stuff like 6502 coding, and building Windows versions of my games. I haven't used this in a couple of months but, as soon as I boot the damn thing up, it's a fucking slog-fest with it trying to do whatever Windows 10 thinks it needs to do in the background while you try and get on with what you actually want to use it for.

I hate Windows with a passion - just wish I wasn't forced to use it for scenarios like this and certain applications. I know it's a stick PC running on an SD card but that's not the slow-down. It's Windows itself trying to throw constant requestors and asking you questions you don't give a shit about.

Took me around an hour just to get a simple compile of my game this afternoon with the damn thing. Mac does it in 15 seconds.

Rant over...

Offline dawlane

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2020, 10:58:58 PM »
If memory serves me. A lot of slow downs with copying files in Windows is down to write caching when using external storage media.

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2020, 06:44:50 AM »
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ook me around an hour just to get a simple compile of my game this afternoon with the damn thing. Mac does it in 15 seconds.

I can sympathize - took me 10 mins to figure out my timing logic was buggered - to be fair not really W10 fault though.

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2020, 10:08:31 AM »
1.5 hours to discover and 2-3 hours to actually do the copy on win10.  on win7 it was about 30 minutes for everything...
mac/linux about a minute... go figure...  :o

Offline Derron

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2020, 01:42:25 PM »
Where did you copy from?
USB-drive/stick (which partition format?)
Network (Samba, CIFS ..) ?
...

Maybe your Windows is running an AV solution which uploaded your precompilated modules/binaries first to scan them online ...


Only slow copy operations I saw was from VirtualBox Windows machines with NAT translation into my local LAN. It is not the amount of data but the amount of files there - file access is slower then. So 100.000 files with 1 gig in total take way way way longer than 10 files with 1gig in total.

Maybe next time copy via "rsync" (especially if you just want to refresh an existing copy with newer files).


Would more likely rant on Windows10 and its "update strategy" - my wife is new to Windows 10 but already got "angry" two times when she wanted to shut down her computer and it was not "shutdown" but "update and shutdown" (she uses a power socket with switch ...so has to "wait").


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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2020, 01:55:10 PM »
nah, don't accept that for 1 second. win 7 is fast(er), win 10 doing something else. Either way how about linux and macos doing it in seconds!

Offline Steve Elliott

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2020, 01:57:32 PM »
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Would more likely rant on Windows10 and its "update strategy" - my wife is new to Windows 10 but already got "angry" two times when she wanted to shut down her computer and it was not "shutdown" but "update and shutdown" (she uses a power socket with switch ...so has to "wait").

Yes that really annoys me, it always happens when I'm in a hurry.  I'll tell *you* when I want to upgrade thank you very much!  Sometimes it's just not convenient to wait.
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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2020, 06:41:10 AM »
deleting files theres another one.
discovering a few meg of files, i think it runs at 1 per second. You know how fast it really takes for a computer to find a few meg of files? a couple of millisecs. WTF is win10 doing?
it takes about 2 secs to delete and 20-50 seconds to 'discover' <-this is complete bollox!!!! ARGGGGG!

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Offline Steve Elliott

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2020, 07:59:15 AM »
I don't know what kind of system you're running Adam but I don't get the slowness you or Xerra are talking about, there's something seriously wrong with your Windows Box.  I know Xerra is using a toy computer running Windows 10.  Guys save yourself massive headaches and buy a proper PC, they're very cheap compared to a Mac.
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Offline Derron

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2020, 09:13:33 AM »
I asked that already: where are you deleting from? From a samba share?

Windows prefetches information of the files - and for remote this is rather slow.


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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2020, 11:41:45 AM »
it was local and not NAS, etc  :P

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2020, 12:26:23 PM »
local 1,44 floppy disc ? :)

Regarding deletion (and maybe copying) ...
https://superuser.com/questions/1485083/windows-10-deletes-lots-of-tiny-files-super-slowly-can-anything-be-done-to-spee

I personally think it is something involving the GUI ... maybe each "explorer-based" deletion is emitting an event and stuff like the explorer does recalculate times, repaint gui widgets ...

Just check if deleting stuff from a "Volkov Commander" is faster - I think so :)


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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2020, 06:06:14 PM »
i cant believe people are still complaining about windows update
if youre using the default settings in gpedit and it doesnt suite you well then you have no one but yourself to blame
and if youre not smart enough to just use gpedit (which has been in windows since xp and maybe even before that) then yes by all means stick to your mac

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Re: More windows 10 ranting
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2020, 07:25:17 PM »
You know that not all of us are able to edit system relevant settings? My personal machines are Linux (exception is the PC of my wife). But at work we have Windows 10 machines - and of course only operating with user accounts not admin ones.

Aside of that: I just gave an example on what people could get angry of. Assuming that >90% of the Windows users start their Windows ... start their programmes and done. They do not adjust settings (more advanced than setting wallpapers). This is also the reason why the more modern OS add so many convenience stuff "hardcore users" hate for adding "bloat".



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