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Online Steve Elliott

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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2019, 09:54:53 PM »
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but I'm old and anal about smooth scrolling for 2D games :P

Standards shouldn't be dropped, with the power of modern systems they should be very capable of smoooooth scrolling easily.
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2019, 10:01:42 PM »
lol, you would of thought so with the shear grunt of GPU’s these days but it’s seems constant silky smooth scrolling still holds king with a C64 :P
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2019, 10:06:32 PM »
Miracles a side I’m actually amazed that I got BlitzMax NG to compile and run on my Mac with zero fuss :o - in the past it either didn’t work or every example I tried just went error nuts.

So who do I pay for a Metal renderer? :P
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2019, 10:11:53 PM »
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lol, you would of thought so with the shear grunt of GPU’s these days but it’s seems constant silky smooth scrolling still holds king with a C64 :P

Either have silky smooth scrolling, or don't bother - it really spoils any scroller type game.  Crap game, but the silky smooth scroller title must go to Shadow of the Beast on the Amiga, with soo many parallax scrolling layers too!
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2019, 10:20:41 PM »
If the renderer was just another layer on top of "brl.graphics" or "brl.max2d" then our beloved user col (github.com/davecamp) created some cool stuff (srs.mod - dx11 driver, initial steps with "vulkan" and some shader works). Also considerations were made to create a new renderer-pipeline with "bgfx" as basement (handles all the different renderers then).

Googling a bit ... I land in a thread of a very suspicious forum... called ... uhm wait a second ..."SyntaxB()*mb":
https://www.syntaxbomb.com/index.php?topic=4691.0


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Brucey is a proud Mac owner so it is more or less "natural" for NG to run on Mac (except you updated your OS X and Brucey didn't do yet ;-)).

Even without Vulkan, Metal, ... NG is always nice to play around a bit here and there. Be prepared to have more to do when creating cross-platform binaries ("no runtime + script" language).


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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2019, 10:27:35 PM »
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Crap game, but the silky smooth scroller title must go to Shadow of the Beast on the Amiga, with soo many parallax scrolling layers too!
Yup, now that was a technical marvel for it's day that really pushed the Amiga hardware. As said, shame the game itself was utter crap though.

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Even without Vulkan, Metal, ... NG is always nice to play around a bit here and there. Be prepared to have more to do when creating cross-platform binaries ("no runtime + script" language).
I'd not get back into Blitz as sooner or later OpenGL will stop on MacOS and that'd be a complete waste of time reinvested. Most if not all game creation studios already have ( or moving to ) the death of OpenGL on MacOS. It may be years away before they remove it fully but as it's on the cards I wouldn't be happy using something that I know is end of life on a platform.
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2019, 10:33:31 PM »
Think Brucey is aware of the "EOL" for OpenGL on Mac - hence the interest in "bgfx":
https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx

But that would mean to have to write a new render-pipeline on top of it - and if feasible then of course compatible to the current "immediate mode" max2d-implementation (+ shaders so we could reach out for GaborD to see some "made in BMX NG videos" ;-)). Maybe Col settled finally after moving and finds some time to jump in (after he made render2texture work with NG's brl-drivers instead of just the sdl.mod ones).


(Feel free to rip our derailing-posts out of this thread into a new one).


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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2019, 10:37:50 PM »
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Think Brucey is aware of the "EOL" for OpenGL on Mac - hence the interest in "bgfx":
That would definitely extend the life of Max should it ever become fully working with all the needed bits and pieces :)

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(Feel free to rip our derailing-posts out of this thread into a new one).
I think this thread has run it's course already so no real need to clean up. Besides thread derailment is kinda our thing over here ;D
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2019, 10:39:52 PM »
Out of curiosity: why did you install NG? Just to see "does it even work" ?

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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2019, 10:45:06 PM »
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Out of curiosity: why did you install NG? Just to see "does it even work" ?
I wanted to revisit some of my very very old BlitzMax stuff and the official BRL release of Max just hates me. Luckily the latest version of NG was a breeze to get working on my Mac so it'll stay installed :)

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Pay attention, y2k bug incoming to your post count.
Cool, I'm gonna hit the 2000 club soon. I'll give myself a beer for reaching that milestone.
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2019, 10:45:26 PM »
2000 posts ;D
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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2019, 07:08:16 AM »
2000 posts ;D

Landmark event. Perhaps that could be the theme of the next competition? The year 2000. Throw it out there and see what people come up with :)

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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2019, 07:08:42 AM »
Yes, I know. I de-railed the thread even more. My bad  :P

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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2019, 08:53:56 AM »
In the year 2000 nothing important happened - a pizza delivery boy has fallen into a time capsule, my computer continued to work ... and a bit later the loveletter mail virus created a billions of damage.

Maybe a "year 2000"-compo would just lead to some fireworks demos :)



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Re: AGK - Getting worse over time?
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2019, 10:40:20 AM »
Base the games on stories out of 2000AD, was Dan Dare one of them.......?