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Offline Hardcoal

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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2019, 09:03:47 PM »
I want a commodore 64 but with enhancements

like 64MB etc..

that will be compatible with old C64

yea i know there is amiga..

but i always wanted a what if a commodore could be 100 times stronger than Commodore but still a commodore ;)

I would Implement Blitzmax as its main language, Sorta ;)
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2019, 09:13:23 PM »
I can't see the point of a retro computer with enhancements.  You might as well as use a Raspberry Pi or old PC.  And there's no 80's nostalgia value there.

But with a system that adds much faster loading times, access to USB devices and a modern TV that's fine though.  And for coding you're still going to be coding a system that requires you to be extra efficient and coding to the metal - which you can't on modern systems, because the OS and API systems are laid on top.
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2019, 09:25:26 PM »
I can't see the point of a retro computer with enhancements.  You might as well as use a Raspberry Pi or old PC.  And there's no 80's nostalgia value there.

Agree with Steve, here. Have you not noticed the trend in minimal computer simulators doing the rounds? Like Pico8, for example. When A machine doesn't have all the whiz-bang you can throw into it then the people coding the system have to work much more efficiently to make magic with it. And it's in our nature to do exactly that.

If you're bringing back the C64 then bring it back basically as it was and let the kids loose on it. The stuff that's done on the machine now is fucking amazing as there's been such a long passage of time for people to learn its limitations and break them.

Give people a modern machine with 8 gigs of ram and they'll go write a monstrosity of a large game with no optimisation, and it will insist on reloading the level whenever you die even if it's already in memory. Bloat just encourages laziness.

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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2019, 11:04:16 PM »
I can't see the point of a retro computer with enhancements.  You might as well as use a Raspberry Pi or old PC.  And there's no 80's nostalgia value there.
I agree. Calling something like ZX Spectrum Next doesn't make it the classic ZX Spectrum 48k.

But with a system that adds much faster loading times, access to USB devices and a modern TV that's fine though.
That's the decent approach and only enhances it rather than say "The C64+ with 4K resolution, true 32bit colour palette and 16 channel sound" <-- NOT a C64.
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2019, 03:35:24 AM »
I disagree with you all.. :)
I want my C64MB Computer Dream and Ill build it one day! :)

Anyway.. I love the concept of keyboard integrated with computer..

The real question someone should ask himself before doing some major project is..
would I buy such a thing myself..
if the answer is no.. dont bother doing it
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2019, 09:58:36 PM »
I will just say that I now have my lovely "The C64" in my man-cave waiting to be unpacked. Good old mum :-)

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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2019, 07:12:34 PM »
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I will just say that I now have my lovely "The C64" in my man-cave waiting to be unpacked.

Great stuff!  Have fun.   :D
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2019, 07:04:02 AM »
Well guys, have any of you heard about the Commander x-16 project.  The 8-bit guy is building this thing.  Its based on the C-64, but like the Spectrum Next, it adds enhancements to it.
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2019, 07:16:47 AM »
Well thats interesting and thats exactly what I like. an enhanced C64 Legend.

And yea, im following 8 bit guy. so Ive heard about it already
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2019, 01:59:41 PM »
Well guys, have any of you heard about the Commander x-16 project.  The 8-bit guy is building this thing.  Its based on the C-64, but like the Spectrum Next, it adds enhancements to it.


They already have docs and an emulator for all desktop OS out.


https://github.com/commanderx16/x16-emulator/releases/tag/r35




This sums up the project quite nicely:


https://www.pagetable.com/?p=1373




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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2019, 12:13:16 AM »
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Well guys, have any of you heard about the Commander x-16 project?

Yes I've watched all of the 8-bit Guy's videos, so really like what he does.  Like me he likes the idea of a simple computer that you can code and understand every bit of - so then you can try and push it to it's limits without having to fight the OS and the layers on top that come with modern machines.  Having said that, it really needs to take off (the Spectrum Next has yet too).  The problem is it's not a classic machine (it's a hybrid, kinda like, but not, which I don't think works as well when exciting people).
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2019, 06:20:29 PM »
Now that the 64 is back at sensible prices post Christmas I've ordered my 'the 64'.   :D
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2019, 12:33:46 AM »
Now that the 64 is back at sensible prices post Christmas I've ordered my 'the 64'.   :D
Woot woot! Whip up a review when you get it and have played with it ;D

Where did you order it from? Can't seem to find it on Amazon or any game related store ( out of stock ) :( - Will have to search harder...
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2019, 04:27:24 AM »
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Woot woot! Whip up a review when you get it and have played with it ;D

Will do!   :D

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Where did you order it from? Can't seem to find it on Amazon or any game related store ( out of stock ) :( - Will have to search harder...

I ordered mine from Amazon yesterday for £120 and they say I'll receive it 2-4 Jan, but immediately after I ordered it was either listed as unavailable or £227.99!  Word on the street is the 'Menkind' Store might have them.  I'm going to Cardiff today so was tempted to wait and pop into the store, but you just know they'd be sold out.  You might be lucky if you have a Menkind store near you (they sell all sorts of gadgets there from retro stuff to drones).
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Re: The C64, returns.
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2019, 04:51:14 AM »
I ordered mine from Amazon yesterday for £120 and they say I'll receive it 2-4 Jan, but immediately after I ordered it was either listed as unavailable or £227.99!  Word on the street is the 'Menkind' Store might have them. You might be lucky if you have a Menkind store near you (they sell all sorts of gadgets there from retro stuff to drones).
I checked Amazoom and was presented with the same extortionate £200+ price tag :o

Menkind? - Never heard of it and not a chance of having one of those stores in Northern Ireland :P - We have Smyths Toys but it's not listed on their site and it's not listed on Argos either.

I shall have to meditate for restraint and wait until somewhere has it for around the proper £99 to £110 price tag ;D

Quite looking forward to grabbing one and very tempted to dive into assembler to code some simple games.
Until the next time...

 

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