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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2019, 01:25:25 PM »
Shocker! I’ve been waiting for that announcement since before Mark even got a real job. Unfortunately he just can’t be bothered anymore and dumping the community on a whim was inevitably the beginning of the end.
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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2019, 01:36:01 PM »
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Unfortunately he just can’t be bothered anymore and dumping the community on a whim was inevitably the beginning of the end.

Yeah, a sad way to fizzle out.   :(
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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2019, 01:56:08 PM »
Reading that post I assumed he just meant shutting down the website and putting Monkey 2 somewhere else.

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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2019, 02:00:04 PM »
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Reading that post I assumed he just meant shutting down the website and putting Monkey 2 somewhere else.

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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2019, 02:10:17 PM »
Ouch!

Not good news, but expected.

There were so few people who used it and Mark managed to bugger them off by design or madness...

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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2019, 02:10:27 PM »
Oh no!
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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2019, 02:50:05 PM »
..not really a surprise, but still sad to read..sigh..

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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2019, 02:52:50 PM »
I don't know too much about this Monkey 2 programming language.

Nevertheless, I have a very good solution for this programming language and its community. 

Some talented and experienced Monkey 2 users from Monkey 2's community should continue developing this software. In addition, a new name should replace the old name. My suggestion is Monkey NG. Furthermove, Qube can set up a Monkey NG  sub-forum as the official forum for Monkey NG.

The above solution can help this language and this language's community. Moreover, the above solution will also make SyntaxBomb forum more active. Right? Is my solution perfect?

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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2019, 03:08:58 PM »
I don't know too much about this Monkey 2 programming language.
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Right? Is my solution perfect?

No.

If there was almost no activity in the monkey2 forums then this won't become better if someone wants to keep a project alive in its sparetime. And if that one wasn't the original author with the knowledge of all the basics in the tool this will become even worse.

Maybe Mark should commit some fixes for BMX NG and make it emscripten compatible. There might be more people using BMX than monkey 2 - and I bet both (active) user bases are in the low 3 digits (else I would expect way more buzz here).


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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2019, 03:23:33 PM »
I don't know too much about this Monkey 2 programming language.
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Right? Is my solution perfect?

Maybe Mark should commit some fixes for BMX NG and make it emscripten compatible. There might be more people using BMX than monkey 2 - and I bet both (active) user bases are in the low 3 digits (else I would expect way more buzz here).

My language knowledge is limited. What is "make it emscripten compatible"? BlitzMax NG looks very different from Monkey 2.


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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2019, 03:28:49 PM »
BlitzMax was once let-go by Mark Sibly for Monkey X
Monkey X was put on ... "maintenance mode" for Monkey 2.


BlitzMax NG is done for some years now by Brucey. It gained some more supported platforms than BlitzMax: so Linux, Mac, Windows (BlitzMax) and additionally iOS, Android, rasPi, NX/Switch-development-devices. It does that by converting blitzmax-language to "C" (plus a ton of little adjustments here and there for android/ios ...) and the help of some libraries like SDL which support these platforms.
To make it produce "html5" stuff it would need to be able to work flawless with emscripten. For now emscripten and the Garbage Collector used in Blitzmax NG are not keen to get  best friends -> html5 target not working/incomplete.


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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2019, 05:16:42 PM »
Now why-oh-why aren't we surprised.
Good to see that he expects the language to develop itself, all-by-itself.

Just how I expect my games/apps to be building itself *not*.

Let's face it his commitment and insight is no longer there.
Such a pity for I and many others were fans of his work(well I loved, Blitz-Basic Amiga and Blitz3D).

Still think the path he should have walked is:
1. Merge Blitz3D with Plus, sell it as Blitz3D V2.
2. Add stuff from Max and *then* sell it as Blitz3D V3.
3. Add stuff community asked about for ages( like x64, in-built shadows, physics etc) - sell it as Blitz3D V4.
4. rewrite for multiple platforms and call it Blitz3D V5 - Multi Platform.
5. Add a visual editor a la unity for 2d & 3d.

No name/product confusion, no alienating you customers, sound PR and a steady progress.
But hey who am I.

Guess he got too ambitious, scared by the likes of Unity and Blitz clone like languages and just doesn't have a keen bizz insight or probably... all of the above.


Most good coders usually do not understand the 'real' world(if there is such a thing).

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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2019, 05:29:32 PM »
BlitzMax and Max3D running reliably on Windows, Mac and Linux is all the community ever wanted IMO, but he lost his way/got bored.
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Re: Mark considering shutting down Monkey 2
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2019, 06:35:54 PM »
I never saw Max as a finished product, wasn't running straight from box, so gave me the feel of being a proto-type with an unfinished 3D engine, which he didn't even support anymore after a lengthy wait. :(

This was left to community/abandoned in favor for Monkey(what a silly name for a serious product anyway  :o), which was in turn ditched for Monkey2/X. ::)

I think most dev's nowadays realize you have to support a wide platform range amongst which iOS and Android if you wanna make some decent money.  The code once, distribute to many feature really helps, but needs to be done well of course.


Doesn't sound like a very good product business continuity plan.
More like a car driving full speed towards a cliff without any brakes or steering abilities.
Or to say in a non verbal way: ;)



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