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Offline TomToad

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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2017, 09:40:37 AM »
Don't be too quick to write off your professors.  Just because they don't know a lot about one subject doesn't mean they don't have anything to teach you.  One myth about smart people is that they are experts in everything.  They really aren't.  They guy who told you Javascript isn't a programming language probably doesn't know a lot about it, but he may know quite a bit on other things.  Often professors who are experts in one area are required to teach other things they might not be that proficient at.  Professor teaches class on A, school wants him to teach B and C at the same time.

When I went to college, most of the computing professors were experts on mainframes, but knew very little about home PCs.  We would program on a dumb terminal and had to get the printout from another building.  Even error codes, can't see the result of your compile until you walk to the next building and wait for the job queue to print out.  They would look at me like I'm crazy when I would suggest that errors print on the terminal so I wouldn't waste time just to find a syntax error.

I was really excited when I heard that a bunch of IBM 386s were being donated to the school, now I can learn on actual PCs.  You know what they did? Ran a VT100 emulator and hooked them up as dumb terminals to the mainframe.  You still had all the same problems as before, but now in color :).

Still, I learned a lot from my professors.  Learned a bit about what happens at low levels on the computers.  Picked up a few languages.  Was introduced to OOP programming.  And because we were using mainframes, I had a bit of experience with network stuff which became more valuable as the internet became more popular.

So the lesson is, learn what you can from your professors.  Take advantage of their expertise.  Remember that they are human and don't know everything, so be a little more forgiving of their mistakes.  Also remember that education doesn't begin and end in college.  College is just a part of the process that continues throughout your entire life.
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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2017, 04:06:16 PM »
I'll tell you what this is all about.

I tried to use the regular conduit of the educational institution to expose my complaints and grievances, I spoke with the human development teacher, a psychologist, then with two other computer science teachers, no one paid attention to me, so I made a right of petition to the oit which was answered and sent an official to the educational campus, as they are the sponsors of our studies, listened to the students of my course, and took two important steps in favor of me.

I think I should be a politician... (joke) the point is that I was assigned to another teacher, which actually leaves me much more at ease.

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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2017, 04:12:12 PM »
You might have even be "forced" to stay in that class with the teacher knowing about your thoughts on him ... so danger of failing in tests...

Luckily you seem to have not faced this but the improvements you wished.

Hope the struggle pays out in the future.

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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2017, 05:20:16 PM »
What TomToad said : it is impossible to be an "expert" at everything, so usually a teacher has some knowledge/skills on one or a few subjects/tools...

After having spent around 20 years at school (with a chaotic end i admit :-p), the only things i still use in my adult life are basic mathematics (to count/measure), and reading/writing/understanding/speaking in french and in english, the rest was either useless or inaccurate/not objective...

One thing you learn in school is that to get good grades you need to repeat and follow, never question/contradict (even if you are objectively right)... After all the goal of school is to make malleable obedient workers...
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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2017, 05:39:29 PM »
Now, what happened was that I was assigned a new classroom with other students who thought the same way I did. We have a new teacher.

What I am claiming is that if you are going to teach it correctly, prepare a class, nobody has all the knowledge but if you are going to transmit knowledge, it is necessary to prepare a class and not improvise.

Unfortunately, the teacher was sent to the school site for audit.

And the best thing is that they left the group of two groups, we were many for one class, almost 60 people

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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2017, 05:47:36 PM »
@ RemiD
I bet you learned more than you pretend.


When was the French revolution?
When was the "Year of the Three Emperors" (German: "Dreikaiserjahr").
When took certain wars place (from raw estimates of the Punic War to the World Wars)
...
Where is Africa and did we have all these continents right from the start?
What is the capital of Belgium and give me 3 names of French/"your country" rivers...
...
What happens if you mix green and red?
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All of these things might have impact on decisions in your life - and also help understanding certain situations in the world. Knowing about the war in nower Croatia, knowing about the cold war and the resulting poverty in certain countries...

Do never say you only use mathematics and reading/writing in your daily life. School (and especially the buddies you have there) form the majority of your growth/building-character-phase-in-life. What you have learned in school of course does influence your daily living - knowingly or not.


For Yue this part of life was stolen by his personal history (do not want to repeat that topic now) and therefor his life went - or at least might have went a different route. His new studies only give "raw knowledge" but might not teach what you got taught in school aside of the "facts".



@ Yue
60 people.. depends if it is a normal "school classroom" or like in an university (we were some hundreds in the bigger courses and 10 in the smallest ones)


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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2017, 06:36:30 PM »
The lounge is really small for that many people. I feel at times that we are in public transportation sharing a table for five students.  But it seems that things are getting a little better, especially with the new teacher.

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Re: I don't know what to think about education.
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2017, 06:48:03 PM »
@Derron>>if you want to talk about the reliability of "history" (and "economy"), i let Naughty Alien give you a lesson ahahah

I agree that we learn social interactions and communication at school, but we could have learned about that somewhere else !
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