SyntaxBomb - Indie Coders

wall of text ...great 
respect each os..why ?
cross platform ..why ?
I am Windows user and do i need to care about others ...of course not.
For simple 2d graphic or games , hobby programmer don't need directX or openGL
GDI still work and will work in the future without problem...
why ?
because is part of system...
so ..sorry adam but i dis-agree in many things you put in a wall of text ..
did i blame you ..no of course ...
if the-guy want to spend time and energy on learning wonkey or blitz ..just go
why not ..right ! 

Baggey!, where have you read that freebasic 2.0 is coming?. I've looked at the freebasic forum and don't see any comments on freebasci 2.0.

@ Aurel
wall of text = detailed explanation of how things actually operate and not some ill informed 'who gives a bugger - not me' ill informed tiny piece of tiny minded text!

Quoterespect each os..why ?
cross platform ..why ?
I am Windows user and do i need to care about others ...of course not.

Because BlitzMax and BlitzNG are meant to be cross platform - you complete dumbcluck! That is how they were designed. If you want windows only then go elsewhere.

QuoteFor simple 2d graphic or games , hobby programmer don't need directX or openGL

RTFM - What the fuck do you think DrawRect does - go into the 2d libraries of the GDI... Because if you do then you really need to think about what you think is going on inside a modern OS! You have the full source of BlitzMax and NG. Go into the source and find where the GDI is and how and what a canvas is. You've got a bit shock coming to you...

QuoteGDI still work and will work in the future without problem... why ?

Because you absolute bamcake - BlitzMax and NG are cross platform. good luck finding the gdi in macos or linux!!! Sheesh some people!

Quoteso ..sorry adam but i dis-agree in many things you put in a wall of text ..

That because you left the fridge door open and your brain escaped

Quoteif the-guy want to spend time and energy on learning wonkey or blitz ..just go
why not ..right ! 

Absolutely. but that was NOT what he was asking!!!

And guess what. we are back to my completely lovely wall of text. you want to learn and comp[lain why it wont work - you have to go into the source and find out why.

You want to have a customizable ide - then you will have to understand how to make one. how controls work. if they exist and how to access them or write your own.

And for you information I was a MS Interface designer. who worked on\UI systems for large corporates. I fully understand how the GDI works, how the underlying control systems work. what went into their creation at the assembly language level. And also what the term legacy product means. I suggest you look the term up!

Just to chime in into this melting pot


One wrote "I only care about Windows" ... and then writes that for simple stuff it does not "need directX or openGL" ... this could be merged into:
"on windows, which I only care about, I do not need directX or openGL as I can use the GDI stuff for simple 2d graphics"

And this sounds... at least like an "valid" option (albeit it would not be a way I would choose)


I for now am ignoring the other things you all mentioned here and there in the thread - no need for another wall of text


bye
Ron

Quote from: Aurel on November 27, 2021, 14:26:40
wall of text ...great 
respect each os..why ?
cross platform ..why ?
I am Windows user and do i need to care about others ...of course not.

Gotta say, this really does sound all "Me, me, me..."

It's like you're saying, "I want this. Do this so I can do that. Don't do anything that might be useful to anyone else because it doesn't benefit me."

Entitled much?

heh...not ..much like "me ,myself & I "

wow ...i don't expect such a reaction from mister Adam
but since when cross-platform is a must

as we all know Gamers are 90% Windows users ..?? or maybe not ??
how i know ..i am just a little man with frozen brain 

also i don't say that Blitz..Max..NG whatever form is not good for game programming
soo...keep up 

Quote from: Baggey on November 20, 2021, 01:32:34
It's BlitzmaxNG! Why cant we just keep updating it 

Three languages. They are:

Blitzmax ==> BlitzmaxNG
Monkey1 ==> Cerberus-X
Monkey2 ==> Wonkey

Quote from: Aurel on November 27, 2021, 18:18:14
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but since when cross-platform is a must

as we all know Gamers are 90% Windows users ..?? or maybe not ??
how i know ..i am just a little man with frozen brain 

yup, very frozen....

Your 90%, assuming this is correct, currently only makes about 21.6% of the global marketshare. Please see my attachment. For further studies please study this link:

https://www.wepc.com/statistics/pc-gaming/

And then tell us again that cross platform development is not important. You didn't say that exactly but your statement implies it.
As much as I hate the mobile side of things regarding tool support, that side brings in the most money when you do it right.

Mike
I was talking about PC games
so people who use desktop PC for gaming
Windows vs Linux...i am sure that most gamers are still on Windows.
check screenshot...

And we are talking about a cross platform product and also other cross platform languages that even support mobile platforms. And that in that sense, Windows PCs are only quarter of the whole market share. Take out consoles and its a third. Of course on desktop it has the biggest usage. You said that cross platform development is irrelevant, only Windows counts, that most people game on windows. Myself and a lot of other developers think otherwise. The company I work for is doing only mobile stuff. The game I work on there is created by a former AAA PC game dev studio who does only mobile these days. You can guess yourself why that is 

And i repeat
I was talking only about PC users, not mobile users or other.
so i have a right that on PC ..Windows gaming is the main

Aurel - go back and read this thread - you deliberately hijacked it. made stupid claims and to quote "me me me me me me me - fuck you me me me"

I suggest you either (nicely) "shut up" or go back to (tiny minded basic) and continue posting your non-sensical one letter replies there

Psst. for your information GDI was depreciated before Windows XP was released. it is also a very poor thing to speak about as MS considders it too low level for normal people to understand and is very prone to leaks and system crashes. Yes there is GDI+ but that was completely replaced from Vista onwards with GDI calls being intercepted at the OS level.

MS considered GDI to be so bad they put a ban on their own staff from using it. GDI+ also had severe performance issues - hence it was quickly depreciated too!

Just for your information...

Not quite sure the reason or heading of this thread so click click.