The thing that stands out in this video is the spyware they installed (Telemetry). Well I like Windows but this is too much hassle, maybe I should just wait for a less bloated future Windows?
Sorry, I felt like venting a bit before I get a new windows (currently on win7).
So what tweaks did you make to win10? Did anybody find win8.1 better?
Should you use Windows 7 in 2019? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjhjPJHxpqg)
It's in all American Operating Systems I'm sure. The FBI won't let Apple get away with it either, because the idea is it combats terrorism (in the national interest).
That video also mentioned some plus points for Windows 10, like much better security and enabling the latest AAA games to run.
As for the in-built advertising tiles, those can be disabled. One of the first things I did.
I think for spying a huge round of applause needs to go to Facebook. They've made millions of people freely add every aspect of their lives and then sold the data to "selected 3rd parties". Luckily I don't have a life and subsequently don't use Facebook :P
At one time you'd have a diary and write things in it and go mad if anyone else read it. These days you post even more thoughts and info on Facebook and get mad if others don't read it. Genius, pure genius!
Apple for example record every website I visit. I know this because my browsing history on my phone is the exact same as my iMac and the only way to do that is to upload the info to Apples servers and then download onto my iPhone.
It's just safe to assume that everything you do online is recorded and processed in one manner or the other. I think Windows will end up being totally free but Ad based and all this Windows 10 telemetry stuff is just the pre-test.
I'm waiting for the next big story about how VPN software also sends your data to xyz.
Yep, you simply cannot escape the fact that we are all consumers that are to be sold by Facebook, Microsoft, Apple or Amazon (and other companies). You're being very naive if you think you can use a computer linked online and not be subject to this behavior.
Just chill, or not go near a computer. I quite like computers and the internet, so I'm quite willing to play the game.
Well I don't mind so much if I know what the purpose is, but your OS spying on you is kind of unsettling. I wonder if Linux has to do this as well now.
Yes, I know you can tweak win10 but I've never enjoyed configuring windows so it puts me off. I've decided to go with win 8.1 and see how it goes, should be less hassle.
Facebook doesn't share your private details with 3rd parties as far as I know. They put up a disclaimer about it a few years ago. I think it works well as a viral news feed. I try not to write anything though as text can be so easily misinterpreted. These days it's mostly a hang out for the older generation, young uns are on instagram and twitter, etc.
QuoteFacebook doesn't share your private details with 3rd parties as far as I know.
Facebook have been caught out big time recently. They push this squeaky clean "We are here for you" image but they are far from it. Here's just one example of their data sharing https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46618582
Quote from: markcwm on May 14, 2019, 03:09:49
Well I don't mind so much if I know what the purpose is, but your OS spying on you is kind of unsettling. I wonder if Linux has to do this as well now.
I would say that depends on the distribution and what third-party applications that have been installed.
In general, a Linux distribution usually collects information on the hardware, the package installed and crash reports. And you can disable tracking in numerous ways.
The biggest offenders for tracking are the third-party applications, such as Google Chrome.
...what i do is, use of 2 PC's..one is attached to internet with fake credentials, and another one i use for work is offline and not connected to internet at all..
And the second one have win10? What about updates? I know without internet you don´t need so many updates.
I use my laptop for daily things and my pc for developing.But both are on internet
Running Win10 Pro now for a year. And I must admit, it feels great. Performance is great, it is easy to use. I my book the best windows so far.
Same at Work where we switch about 300 PCs to Win10.
Agreed, except that i handle some changes after a fresh install.
No online search via cortana or bing in the taskbar/start.And some performance things.(and i hate the tiles)
But i like win 10 really much.
Bing and Cortana are optional, I have no desire to use either, as are the Apple equivalents. I don't use them either.
Its not optional.For some things you need a registry entry.
something like this
There is not button to deactivate the automatic bing search
But i have for such things a registryhack.reg file ;)
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search]
"AllowCortana"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search]
"BingSearchEnabled"=dword:00000000
"CortanaConsent"=dword:00000000
I'm constantly surprised that computer people use default settings. You don't need to use Bing, you can use Chrome. You don't need to have adverts, you can turn them off, quite easily. My Windows, Mac and Linux systems work very similar (I have my favourite apps on the task bar at the bottom of the screen). Very uncluttered and efficient, any software I don't need gets uninstalled - make the OS work the way you want!
Indeed, but i mean the search in the startmenu.
That have nothing to do with chrome.
---> see pic
That's too small to read.
There is no need to read it.
Type anything in the search field in the win10 taskbar.
Per default you see search results in the startmenu on the right side powered by bing.
And that have nothing to do with chrome or another browser
I never see anything from Bing, perhaps I've kicked it into touch early doors. We shouldn't have to fight our Operating Systems, sadly it seems we do. My fave OS is Linux Mint right now, but some glitches still. Windows 10 is very solid and runs AAA games but a system hog and need for slowing anti-virus software. Mac OS is very nice but just seems to do things that are illogical and annoying - and an insatiable appetite for hardware upgrades.
QuoteWindows 10 is very solid and runs AAA games but a system hog and need for slowing anti-virus software
I can still remember working in a computer shop in 2001 when the latest version of Norton Antivirus came out. Now that was a HUGE system hog with a very noticeable system slowdown. Luckily they fixed that in later years but that release was real bad.
QuoteMy fave OS is Linux Mint right now
It's funny as Linux is my least favourite desktop but as soon as someone mentions a server it's Linux all the way. The beauty of a Linux server is it's rock solid stability. Sure the latest versions of Windows Server are getting better for 24/7 operation but I'd pick Linux any day for such as task. I also prefer the instant remote command line access over a GUI for many jobs. It's odd how work / play varies in opinion.
QuoteMac OS is very nice
We have a winner \o/ :P - Been a big fan of MacOS since 2009. I think if Apple do something really dumb then I'll just go back to Windows but it'll have to be an ultra quiet desktop with no whizzy fans every time you do something.
Quote from: markcwm on May 13, 2019, 02:46:08
The thing that stands out in this video is the spyware they installed (Telemetry). Well I like Windows but this is too much hassle, maybe I should just wait for a less bloated future Windows?
Sorry, I felt like venting a bit before I get a new windows (currently on win7).
So what tweaks did you make to win10? Did anybody find win8.1 better?
Should you use Windows 7 in 2019? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjhjPJHxpqg)
Pirate a copy of Windows 10 LTSC 2019. Long Term Service Branch does not include any metro applications, nor does it have Cortana integration. This is what i use.
If you want Windows 10 without even the first anniversary update or any of the later big patches, get LTSB (not LTSC) 2016.
Think pirated software isn't what should get promoted here in this or another way.
Bye
Ron
Quote from: Derron on May 16, 2019, 06:16:18
Think pirated software isn't what should get promoted here in this or another way.
Bye
Ron
Yup, would get an instant ban from me.
Any software developer should be against using stolen software.
Quote from: MikeHart on May 16, 2019, 06:39:56
Quote from: Derron on May 16, 2019, 06:16:18
Think pirated software isn't what should get promoted here in this or another way.
Bye
Ron
Yup, would get an instant ban from me.
Any software developer should be against using stolen software.
I only support the pirating of Microsoft products and sold open source mediums. Ban me if you wish...
Quote from: Yellownakji on May 16, 2019, 11:47:32
I only support the pirating of Microsoft products and sold open source mediums. Ban me if you wish...
I cannot and wouldn't ban.
Ok, so you tell me: it is ok to pirate MS products (Office, VS, Windows, ...) and you also "pirate" Open Source products which might be sold by teams to support their efforts while eg. compiling their products is allowed? So eg. Armory Paint.
And in the same forum you wrote to just have formed a company with some _employees_ you have? Hope all your products are real FOSS software, not that all others will pirate your stuff so you cannot pay your employees. Ah and if you are a service provider (eg designer) then I hope you do not mind if your contractors deny any design proposals but hand them over to some cheap students worker doing the job for 10% of your bill.
bye
Ron
Quote from: Derron on May 16, 2019, 12:27:06
Quote from: Yellownakji on May 16, 2019, 11:47:32
I only support the pirating of Microsoft products and sold open source mediums. Ban me if you wish...
I cannot and wouldn't ban.
Ok, so you tell me: it is ok to pirate MS products (Office, VS, Windows, ...) and you also "pirate" Open Source products which might be sold by teams to support their efforts while eg. compiling their products is allowed? So eg. Armory Paint.
And in the same forum you wrote to just have formed a company with some _employees_ you have? Hope all your products are real FOSS software, not that all others will pirate your stuff so you cannot pay your employees. Ah and if you are a service provider (eg designer) then I hope you do not mind if your contractors deny any design proposals but hand them over to some cheap students worker doing the job for 10% of your bill.
bye
Ron
Yes, i do pirate Windows. Microsoft does not sell Enterprise/LTSC/P.O.S. to non-enterprise consumers and their definition of enterprise basically requires you to be Donald Trump. Microsoft's products are genuine garbage, in 2019. Their consumer and business builds for Windows, their pre-built hardware and tablets are junk. I refuse to support anything microsoft dishes out, under Satya Nadella. Their quality has plummeted, they're backdoored and 'as a service' is a joke. - I'm a ""basic"" consumer, to Microsoft and I use, and fully stand by the acquisition (at all costs) of, Windows 10 LTSC 2019. No bloatware, no metro apps, no windows store, no cortana, no bloat background processes. If you want Windows 10, it's the perfect version. Want my money? Give it to consumers. (but oh wait, they don't even want enterprise to have it either. They want to choke you with bloat, see. You have to REALLY push for LTSC/LTSB and you just *might be considered) - I do know someone who works at a company that has genuine LTSB 2016 and they're basically on Microsoft's shitlist, pardon my French. They barely care to give them support; usually re-directing them to an Indian hotline and their actual "road-to-ltsb" was insanely slow and Microsoft pretty much held it off as long as possible. Their business practices don't deserve anyones wallet.
and yes, i also am perfectly fine with admitting to pirating office; Which isn't my fault to begin with. When i went to university, they ONLY allowed Office. I wasn't allowed to run LibreOffice in a VM, which is quite literally the same thing but open source. Libre can read/write into/from MS documents and other varieties, but it was still not allowed for whatever reason. Can you believe they require Windows too? :)) - Parallels sure made some money for the MAC users in the classes. - I personally have no need for Office anymore, so i haven't acquired it in a long while.
All our software is written by us; We've done contracted work but isn't our main department, nor did we approach. If someone wishes to pirate our software and it's been uploaded, i'm not going to bother stopping them. The more people that use a specific piece of software, the more it gets spread; Just look a RARLab's WINRAR.
but yes, i'm not going to bother stopping them. They most certainly won't get updates, if our software has that, or support without proof of purchase, of course. That's just how the modern world is. It happens.
And i'm sorry, of course everyone has their own opinion, but if something is open source, it should stay open and free. I don't believe in selling open source, even with permission. It should be limited to donations only. Generally, i just blatantly steal the features i need, in imaging programs, by writing a paint.net plugin for them, which is my preferred editor, since you mentioned Armory Paint. The scripting language is decent enough, so theres no reason to have bloaty photoshop or that weird gimp program.
..i dont think ban is necessary..hammering things, never fixed a thing, but break apart many..people have spoken and shared what they do or dont..unnecessary 'advertising' about piracy is happening right now by entering this sort of conversations...guy just said what he does and thats where it should end up..no need to teach anyone lesson about it, as everyone will do as he/she pleases, so lectures about piracy are not really necessary...im quite confident that almost all of us have had hands over some pirated piece of software at some point in time, and im sure that no angels lurking around here..
@ Naughty Alien
You have to differ between someone using stuff in private (and maybe in his teenager times while they now properly licence stuff) and someone who uses it for a living.
I am also more tolerating some kind of grey zone. Eg. Having licenced a version but using another one (licence English but use German) as this at least means you try to pay for what you are using.
If you did not pay but use it...then it is stealing (kind of).
Regarding advertising: I just meant that you should not leave such statements without clarification or arguing about legal issues.
@ office
If your university required Office then your course/subject was surely amongst those who paid for their students. In our university all MINT and economics (and sure more) course students were able to buy MS products for 0eur. There are special programmes offering a nearly unlimited palette of MS software (Windows, Visual Studio).
Office wasn't needed except for presentations in courses held by some doctorants. Thesis was always PDF ..so could be written in Latex or whatever you liked.
If they demanded a non free software you could sue them for equality.
@ Paint.net
Windows only... :-)
Krita is better imho but also more complec.
Bye
Ron
Paint.net runs in Wine and WineSkin ;)
I don't have any pirated software on my computer and probably haven't in quite a while. In my younger days - particularly on the Amiga and C64 almost all of it was hooky. I even traded games and stuff back in those days. Even as a bulletin board operator in the mid 90's my system had a backdoor for close friends who could pick up pirate stuff. That was then, however, and this is now. I look at things a bit differently these days but one thing I'm never going to do is slam down on someone who does still use pirated software because I'm not a saint.
Nowadays I just take pride in actually paying to unlock software I actually use - especially if it's what I consider an acceptable price. Sure, I'll use a demo version for a long time if it costs too much but eventually a discount will become appealing and I'll take the plunge. I even have some products that I pay a yearly subscription for and updates are included in that - Snagit being a prime example. When you have an application that you pay a few quid for that's by a lone developer you often find that they really appreciate your support - even if it's just a few quid - and can't thank you enough. I've always liked that aspect of software purchases right back to the shareware days back in my youth.
With Windows, I do have a licensed copy that I use with Parallels when I have to because some stuff I just can't use on the Mac. And I'm just going to have to completely agree with the original poster in stating that it is a fucking pile of bloated piece of malware attracting shite. I hate shit that forces endless adverts on you and hugs resources to the extent that using the machine is almost unusable - usually at key times. And the software updating is a bloody joke. MicroShite might think that people are pleased that they're constantly updating the product but what we're actually thinking is why didn't you get it right in the first place?
If I never had to use it again I could quite happily live with that but we're forced to endure because it's an industry standard. Probably why they get away with it :-(
Quote from: Xerra on May 16, 2019, 17:06:44
With Windows, I do have a licensed copy that I use with Parallels when I have to because some stuff I just can't use on the Mac. And I'm just going to have to completely agree with the original poster in stating that it is a fucking pile of bloated piece of malware attracting shite. I hate shit that forces endless adverts on you and hugs resources to the extent that using the machine is almost unusable - usually at key times. And the software updating is a bloody joke. MicroShite might think that people are pleased that they're constantly updating the product but what we're actually thinking is why didn't you get it right in the first place?
If I never had to use it again I could quite happily live with that but we're forced to endure because it's an industry standard. Probably why they get away with it :-(
This is exactly why i mentioned LTSC. Microsoft included none of that and you can even uninstall Windows Defender. No forced updates and even if you do update, you only are allowed to get security patches. LTSC blocks feature updates because it's a long term support channel, which is great.
Most Windows 10 ISOs are around 4GB, and LTSC clock in under 2GB; It's great. -- If you had to use Windows, this is the one you should get for modern machines.
I have a Windows 10 License, when i bought my MSI machine. I choose not to use stock and i never will, ever again.
I professionally use LTSC 2019 and when i repair machines, and the client OKs for a refresh. i give my clients LTSC 2019. Nobody should have to deal with bloat, ever. never ever.
South-Korea is planning on replacing their current Window 7 machines to Linux after Microsoft support ends:
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/south-korean-government-planning-linux-migration-as-windows-7-support-ends/ (https://www.techrepublic.com/article/south-korean-government-planning-linux-migration-as-windows-7-support-ends/)
Personally this might be the route I'll go too. Although our company has adopted Windows 10 (being a US company and all), so I'll have to maintain a Windows environment at some level for development.
But Linux has come a long way, and is continually improving. For example, few years back, my USB-WiFi adapter didn't work out of the box and now it does. It's not easy for any desktop platform to support all the variety of devices on the market, if freedom of choice is allowed.
-Henri
Quote from: Henri on May 18, 2019, 17:27:01
South-Korea is planning on replacing their current Window 7 machines to Linux after Microsoft support ends:
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/south-korean-government-planning-linux-migration-as-windows-7-support-ends/ (https://www.techrepublic.com/article/south-korean-government-planning-linux-migration-as-windows-7-support-ends/)
Personally this might be the route I'll go too. Although our company has adopted Windows 10 (being a US company and all), so I'll have to maintain a Windows environment at some level for development.
But Linux has come a long way, and is continually improving. For example, few years back, my USB-WiFi adapter didn't work out of the box and now it does. It's not easy for any desktop platform to support all the variety of devices on the market, if freedom of choice is allowed.
-Henri
The main gripe with Linux is it's dependency hell. You need libraries for everything; Some have crap licenses. - Distros make it harder to target a unified platform, so people just target Ubuntu-based and say 'Well, it works on Ubuntu and that's that". It's also annoying that you cannot embed meta and even an icon into a produced binary... Linux is still very messy, even if you have a clean desktop environment like KDE or my favorite, cinnamon. I think linux mint is great, but i enjoy development on a Windows much more. BLide is Windows only, so for Blitzmax, it's definitely a deal breaker because MaxIDE is awful. Does not even have tooltips.
There is no perfect OS.
For Server work Linux is solid, for the GUI user not so great at times - mostly, but it's just not as consistent like Windows or MacOS. On Windows or MacOS everything just works without problems, on Linux sometimes you have problems that really shouldn't occur in 2019, at those times it feels like Windows XP so I've lost patience with it. Promising, but a no from me.
The biggest problem with MacOS, is Apple. Apple have to continually change everything - with no common sense behind some of those changes at times! Despite that it's a very good system. On Windows plus an obligatory Virus Checker it's a system hog. But so much software runs on it.
My primary desktop PC (my daily workstation) will always be limited to WinXP SP2 due to major AutoCAD 2000 add-ons which will never be updated. Plus, I just prefer XP to anything that came after (actually my all-time favorite OS is Win2K, but XP will do). My workstation has no wireless nor any internet connectivity (thus no AV or firewall), a decent PC for its time, now very fast and streamlined (with several similar PCs in storage).
When my online Win7 laptop died recently, I installed a dual-boot WinXP/current Linux Mint Cinnamon on my old Vista laptop, just for going online (and only in Linux). I use ClamTK for AV for checking Windows-based downloads before transferring to main PC (also double-check using Malwarebytes on the offline WinXP boot). It's been working really well. I have no need to go out and purchase a new Win10 laptop until my Blitz3D projects are far enough along to verify Win10 compatibility.
I'm pretty excited right now as I just purchased ($8.00 US) and printed the "Hands on Milkshape 3D" PDF, linked from the Milkshape website (it's great when these old program links still work). Also, I'm taking a 3D break at the moment and creating a small utility in BlitzPlus. Man, I still love BlitzBasic even if I've been "starting again" on my projects for years.
Every time I get down about it I run some of the demos that came with B3D and some others I've collected over the years, especially the cubewater demo included with the B3D Demo. I never understood why that water demo wasn't included in the full B3D demos, by far the most impressive.
It's like weight loss (which I've conquered about 80%), you just gotta keep getting back on the freaking horse. :)
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Think pirated software isn't what should get promoted here in this or another way.
Bye
Ron
Yup, would get an instant ban from me.
Any software developer should be against using stolen software.
Yep SyntaxBomb can't be seen to be condoning software piracy. A ban from me too.
Okay, well I'm not going to use pirated software (or admit to having it on a public forum) and I'd rather not get a bloated win10 if that's the only option for ordinary home users, I know it can all be sorted out I just don't want to waste the time on it so I'll stick with win8.1 and maybe win10 later or not.
Thanks to everyone for their advice, I've learned a lot. It's nice to know some people are still using older os like winxp, I use it sometimes too but rarely, only when I need to use old software, for example I have a little slides/negatives scanner and the software for it only works in winxp.
I'd say everyone on here has used pirated software at one point or another. I know I was guilty in the Amiga days. However should any member share any links for pirated software of use this forum to share pirated software then that will result in a ban. I will also advise those that do use pirated software to refrain from stating they do as there is no excuse these days as there are so many alternative free open source variants.
In a nutshell please do not use these forums to justify the reason for using pirated software. Consider the slate clean but any further violations will result in a ban as I will not have this forum associated with such practices.
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You don't need to use Bing, you can use Chrome.
for better "privacy" (nothing is perfect), i suggest to use the iron browser (moded chrome) or the epic browser (very good!)
imo hacking and piracy (2 different things) are sometimes necessary, 2 examples that i have encountered recently :
->i was not allowed to install a recent android os on my old tablet, and with my current android os i was not allowed to install an app from the play store, so i searched for an old / modded (pirated) apks... and it works.
->a device (access control system for a gate) that a client had, started to dysfunction, but the manufacturer did not want to repair the defective parts, they wanted to replace the whole system which costed a lot (too much). so with the help of an electronic engineer, i hacked the signal and reproduced the signal with arduino, then replaced the defective parts, which saved hundreds of EURs...
so when a company don't want to fix a bug / add a functionality / remove some unecessary limit, a combination of hacking / modding / piracy, is well appreciated ! (youtube now wants you to make you pay for being able to listen to a podcast / video with the screen off, wtf !)
..im wondering, how is considered a situation, where you 'observe' how other 'product' has been made and then you came with your version which basically has better performance than initially observed 'product'...for example, imagine that you take BLDC motor used for drones, then you disassemble it , and made your own version of it, but with much better efficiency, better bearing, quieter and two rotating shafts (coaxial)..but as i said, initial work is based on observing motor taken from other manufacturer (poles, number of paired coils/windings per coil, etc)..is this considered piracy, considering that final output is essentially totally different motor?
what you describe is "reverse engineering" and copying / modifying an existing technology, and if it is protected by a patent and the modification / improvement is not significant enough, you would be most likely in legal trouble... (unless the technology is old enough / abandonned)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll
..mm..reverse engineering i can agree in to some extend..im not sure about copy part as final product is completely different motor with much better performance, working voltage/current range, more poles, bigger rotor diameter and totally different set of bearings...i mean, final 'product' has basically, zero identical parts compared to 'observed' model at all..
@Naughty Alien what you are describing is as RemiD says "reverse engineering". You are gaining knowledge based on others often patented works. For the most part this is in law illegal but there are circumstances where it is not for example in certain countries you can reverse engineer softwares copy protection for personal backup purposes.
Taking apart something and learning how it works and then making a few tweaks is is not legal but what is really odd is that you can take a product and make slight changes to it and it is legal. It's a weird world and law is a very high minefield.
..i have disassembled bunch of motors prior to building one...every single motor disassembled has identical parts..literally...all BLDC's using same setup, exact setup..did they copy each other?
1) neodymium magnets fit on rotor
2) 3 phase coil on stator
Thats really all there is..everybody does it..every single motor i took apart has identical setup and in many cases identical number of parts placed identically ..i wasnt truly sure about bearing they use, so i checked it to see what kind of bearing is used, which indicated that cheapest one you could imagine is used, while in my case is used professional grade bearing from Bosch..
While you may be correct, i simply cant see where is patent here implemented as its literally nothing but standard BLDC motor with magnets at rotating stator(outside), while rotor is fixed with coils (3 phase)..there is no hall effect sensors or anything implemented inside but raw 3 phase coils credited to Tesla...I wrote this in several forums regarding BLDC for drones, and folks there doesnt seems to see an issue with building your own BLDC, which is basically Tesla's work..
I'm no patent expert but I would assume there is no patent on the basic principles of a motor. The knowledge of such a device is easily understood that I can't see which part could be applied to a patent.
So if you've come up with a tweak to the general design of a motor then I really can't see an issue. As said, I'm no expert but based on the common knowledge of a motor I highly doubt there is any patent relating to it.
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a patent provides, from a legal standpoint, the right to exclude others[21] from making, using, selling, offering for sale, or importing the patented invention for the term of the patent, which is usually 20 years from the filing date
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Patent infringement occurs when a third party, without authorization from the patentee, makes, uses, or sells a patented invention. Patents, however, are enforced on a nation by nation basis. The making of an item in China, for example, that would infringe a U.S. patent, would not constitute infringement under US patent law unless the item were imported into the U.S.