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My two cents....

I think all the people here would have no problems with almost always pointing out characters like Sarah Connor from the earlier Terminator films and Ripley from the Aliens franchise as being strong women characters.

But one that I think is often forgotten is Officer Lewis from Robocop (1987).  Verhoeven was really good in his films at portraying men and women as pretty much equals when it came to his science fiction works.

The whole garbage about "strong women in cinema" seems to have really only started to become a thing in the media at the same time as movies went from being character driven to becoming political point scoring activities.

i liked the blond in "Atomic Blond"

Quote from: Matty on March 27, 2024, 06:07:50The whole garbage about "strong women in cinema" seems to have really only started to become a thing in the media at the same time as movies went from being character driven to becoming political point scoring activities.

..its all madness stirred up by ultimate 'useful idiots' which are going to be 'discarded' at the end of the whole mental game, as whole premise is doomed to fail..only question is, how long it will take to reach that point..my advice is..dont bother with all that and keep your head clean out of this garbage..

There's always has been strong woman in cinema. It's just the woke modern world where we don't celebrate a job well done regardless of who but hyper praise xyz so long as it's not a man.

A short list of the top of my head excluding Terminator and Aliens :

A nightmare on elm street series : Woman always save the day.
Underworld
Hellraiser : The girls beat pinhead and in part 2 almost destroy hell.
Hunger Games
Carrie
I spit on your grave
Red Sparrow
Halloween
China O'Brien (spelling)
Salt
Tomb raider
Wizard of Oz (I ain't messing with the wicked witch)
Tarzan ( B&W oldies with Jane)
GI Jane

No doubt loads more if I thought about it.

I just don't see the point of forcing a narrative that isn't there.

And the best bit is when there is a strong female character in a franchise, and if their politics don't match the modern woke ideals, then they get cancelled.

Quote from: Matty on March 27, 2024, 06:07:50The whole garbage about "strong women in cinema" seems to have really only started to become a thing in the media at the same time as movies went from being character driven to becoming political point scoring activities.

I think the original observation, in response to cinema from the 60s, 70s and 80s, was that women were too often weakly written. That is to say, they typically lacked an arc of their own and existed only to furnish the journeys of the male characters. The impetus amongst screenwriters who recognised this as a flaw, then, became to provide audiences with strongly written female characters, referred to colloquially within the industry as "strong female characters". This of course opened up a new wave of writers and commentators to misapprehend what was meant by "strong female characters", assuming that the idea was to write female characters who were literally strong across all dimensions... which naturally leads to narratively disappointing screenplays as, in order to be strongly written, to have a arc, a character must have flaws and weaknesses to work through (and, in particularly well written scripts, pivot from entirely).

This is why you love films from the 90s and early 00s, and increasingly avoid anything made from 2015 onwards. They have essentially circled back around to removing arcs from female characters again.

yes. well i dont remember which films i saw but i used to be resentful because i equated a movie i saw to not being made for all audiences when being an all audience film? i have no idea why i blamed women for that.

total recall was a favorite of mine growing up its still funny to me.

my opinion :

if during / at the end of a book / movie / video game, you think 'woaw this was a good story, and i really liked these characters, these behaviors, these words, these actions'. it was well made and convincing.


if during / at the end of a book / movie / video game, you think 'what the fuck is this bullshit, it would never happen like this'. it is ideology and propaganda.

QuoteRipley from the Aliens franchise as being strong women characters.

yes, scary stuff.  strong character indeed.